i just heard a comment from someone, who said that once i am a nurse that i will not be getting what i expect. they said that the usa, in general, is paying nurses to come over here, and work for less...therefore driving down the hourly pay for nurses and taking more jobs, that could have been given to us people from here. now, i don't want to make this a debate, i'm just curious if this is true.
i wouldn't exactly call it outsourcing..but what is it? if so, this is very discouraging. my fiance works in labor and it seems like everything is being driven down to pennies by the "outsiders"...but hey, i blame the greedy people who hire them. they aren't doing it for any other reason except for lower wages/labor. can someone give me a little input on this?
i live in nyc and i have to say, the last time i was in the hospital i was very surprised that none of the nurses and assistants spoke english very well at all...it was painfully obvious that they weren't from here...again, not discriminating..but i wonder...are usa citizens sort of discriminated against since we want better wages? is this why people say that medical assistants are replacing lpns etc?
over here in nyc a registered nurse can expect to start off making $36-40/hr. (honestly, for the stress nurses go thru i think it should be way more). this is fairly decent and may seem like a lot to others..but keep in mind that we pay $1,400 for a tiny studio in a decent area of queens (not even in the city). so our $36-40/hr translates to about $20ish/hr somewhere like down south or the midwest. definitely a liveable wage..but i think for the intensity of the job it should be more. ok, enough blabbing..i just need some feedback and views on this. thanks :)
yes, other professionals are hired from other countries. more attention is given to the practice of looking for foreign trained nurses though. as long as employers take advantage of every opportunity to engage in this activity, it will be a fact of life for american workers. when i was starting out, i asked why the workforce was from overseas when there were three nursing schools in the area. my supervisors could not give me an answer, but had to agree that there was a preference in hiring taking place, in spite of a local supply of american graduates.
there are 2 possible answers to your question (i'll assume it is a question...) :
1) the foreign nurses hired over the american new grad had more experience, and is therefore less costly for the hospital to train.
2) the foreign nurse was sponsored by that particular hospital to obtain her work visa/green card and therefore owes that hospital between 2 and 5 years . as a result, the hospital gains an employee that they know will not quit at least until the end of their contract.
lastly, it may be a combination of the above 2 answers....when an employer sponsors a foreign professional, they have to prove without a doubt that the foreigner they are about to hire and sponsor is better qualified than an american professional applying for the same job; or that no american professional has applied for the said job for x months.
i think its wrong to give them a permanent residency green card. now they can become a us citizen in 5 years and they are going to stay in this country. i'm not happy with giving them a work visa but now they are giving green card? that is so wrong.
i'll take the bait. would you please explain why it "is so wrong" for foreign nurses to have a work visa, a green card, or to become american citizens?
i was so tempted to report your comment as inappropriate, but my curiosity wins over my disgust. so do please explain your position/ opinion or rational.
i'm not trying to be biased because i am not. but there are so many people who graduated from nursing school and they cant find jobs becuase foreing nurses are hired before them. are other professionals like doctors, pharmacist, social workers, psychologists hired in us who are not educated in us? i think this country should start hiring people who are us educated first.
yes! many other professionals trained in other countries are indeed hired in the us. furthemore, many of these professionals are recruited by american hospitals, universities and companies in their own countries to come work for them on american soil!
you know why?
because they can't find the same level of trained professionals , researchers, doctors etc... in the us!
i think that you are very much "biased" and i truly wonder under what rock you live.
unless you are 100% indian, you too are from immigrant decent.
fyi: i will likely always be hired over an american new grad because i have more experience! (and worldly experience at that!)
if you think that coming to work in the us as a rn is an easy process, think again. it took me over a year of exams, tests, screenings and exorbitant fees (out of my pocket) in order to be allowed to work in the us. which didn't mean that i had a work visa. in order to have a work visa, i had to be offered a job , and for my future employer to prove that i was qualified and would receive such salary and such benefits. only then could i apply for my tn visa.
each time i left the country, my work visa was ripped off from my passport and i had to re-apply upon returning on us ground (it doesn't matter whether it was for a week-end in canada or a month in timbuktu!)
every single time, i would be searched, my luggage would be searched, and i would have to wait hours on end at the airport, often missing my corresponding flight, in order to be re-issued my tn visa.
every single time, i was questioned and treated like a criminal.
i haven't returned to my country for 2 years because of skewed immigration laws (and mistakes). which means that i haven't seen my family for all this time either.
even if i travel within the us, i end up being the one chosen for a full search. a 100% of the time!
i was even accused of bringing in forbidden food after i forgot to remove a clementine from my hand bag given to me on a us airline flight. this was a national flight and the clementine had a nice big sticker saying "florida" on it!
none the less, i was treated like a terrorist!
trust me, nothing is worth all the humiliation and aggravation i have (like many other foreigners) gone through in this country. nothing, beside maybe the love i have for my husband.
and get this: although i am paying the same amount of taxes as any american, i am not eligible for any grant, loans etc....if i were to be unemployed, i wouldn't be eligible for unemployment. considering that 30% of my pay check goes to uncle sam, i think that you should actually be happy that foreign professionals work in your country! it means free money for you!
it is so disappointing to come across people like you with so little heart and many preconceived notions...
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Kate...please...stay balanced..not all americans belive like that...just ones...but sometime is enough one dirty apple to mess all good basket.
I worked with americans who work really hard to pay them school taxes, low paid jobs with high rough hours, people who can't afford to stay not working because not working means hungry, people work and sleep and this is them life...... and they are good, nice warm hearts.... I worked with others who really don't want to work or to go to school but they want big money without work, cushion life, lol and others that think that "I deserve that" just because I was born here, or just because I am white or just because my parents told me that i am much good than you are, because I AM......or so many other reasons....people are good or bad all over dosen't count the country... please don't do the same mistakes like them... don't hate.... this is first...are so many good people around...do your job, hung up with good people, let others away...... Is a beuatifull country with beautifull people, so simple in them hearts but like all over are bad ones also.... see the beuatifullness here...don't let bad ones to put you down or to make a wrong image about what is US.
I don't want to open a can of worms here, but I am seeing a trend where foreign nurses feel the need to change their name to "Mike, Mary..."
This is in my area where there is an influx of immigrants. Many have been educated here in the US. The most common complaint is the language barrier. In LTC and assisted living, the elderly patients do speak up and complain and the administration (in their facility) is listening. Assisted living is mostly private pay, and money talks. Is it wrong? I don't think so. Its a service. But I think the nurses are changing their names thinking that is what's needed to get hired. With the shortage of jobs, it is more competive, and ones that can speak clearly are the ones who are getting hired more and more.
deanna dear.... foreign nurses in the majority of the time are hired because of shortage, are places where any of other nurses wished to work, even if you will pay them one million bucks . and they foreign nurses are paid just like you are, neither more neither less is a law. deanna you are racist by your comments "3rd world" is the world from where your ancestors was came also. if you want more money... come here in california and work with zuzi the nurse's work that zuzi did! i am so sorry we don't have charge nurses or managerial positions opening and neither a lot od chairs for cushion jobs lol but working a hard working ass job position for sure... work like foreign nurses will be paid like foreign nurses...
no one down the pay to no one... just work like we work... and you will be ok!
oh boy...here we go with the pitiful "race" card.please refrain from making ignorant statements such as these. i am not a racist. foreign is not a "race". it is a status.
in regards to the last two sentences of your reply...lol.... i'm not even going to touch on that. you can believe what you want.
pipe down. let's stop with the victim act and the boohooing. if you think it's terrible here, in the usa, i really encourage you to find someplace better. let me know what the name of that place is when you do find it though. if you think you are the only person that struggles here in the usa, you better think again.
i found most of your posts to be disrespectful rants. i can hardly take you seriously as a person. so i will save about 3 paragraphs of writing on that part.
however, you do have one thing right. a government will definitely run it's people to the ground when the people don't have enough backbone to stand up against it. that's why the usa gets walked all over like a mat.
Zuzi, it wasn't a racist comment. It was just a really rude comment that was unnecessary.
In regards to my "3rd world country" comment; I should have used another adjective. That didn't sound very nice, but I still stand by the original intent of my post. I have since edited.
ok, so i cannot possibly respond to everyone, but i wanted to thank those who gave constructive replies. i have given individuals kudos (thank you) to your posts.
i would like to make it very clear that, just because someone feels us citizens should have priority in hiring, it does not make them "against all immigrants" and/or "racist".
to give an example: i wanted to go to a certain college, but their county residents are given first priority. am i complaining and saying that the college is "racist",etc.? nope.
in addition, i would like to add that i am not against foreigners/legal immigrants coming here for work....so long as every motivated and capable us citizen has had their chance at filling the job slot first. this, though, is obviously up to our "wonderful" government .
i'm also not blaming foreigners/immigrants for anything. if i was able to go to another country and make good money..i would. if that country is backwards enough to give me a position,when their own people are struggling, it's not my problem right?
foreigners/immigrants/us citizens-->human. we are all the same. we want a chance to make a living. when given the opporturnity..we will seize it.
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i'll take the bait. would you please explain why it "is so wrong" for foreign nurses to have a work visa, a green card, or to become american citizens?
i was so tempted to report your comment as inappropriate, but my curiosity wins over my disgust. so do please explain your position/ opinion or rational.
i feel as if you meant me as my name appears in the quote and i don't say these things as the member mis quoted me
i was a foreign nurse looking at working in the us and had an application in progress. i am now living in canada and loving it. now getting sorted with my training being assessed and at some stage will take crne. i do believe that a country's own citizens or legal residents are looked after first and for most cases when a hospital employs a foreign nurse they have proven that they was unable to employ locally. if a immigrant adheres to the country's laws etc then they should be allowed to become a citizen as long as the intent is not to abuse the citizenship at a later date. i have seen people post about becoming a citizen in one country because once they are a citizen they can get a visa to the country they really want to work in easier.
. and they foreign nurses are paid just like you are, neither more neither less is a law. deanna you are racist by your comments "3rd world" is the world from where your ancestors was came also. if you want more money... come here in california and work with zuzi the nurse's work that zuzi did! i am so sorry we don't have charge nurses or managerial positions opening and neither a lot od chairs for cushion jobs lol but working a hard working ass job position for sure... work like foreign nurses will be paid like foreign nurses...
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there are 2 possible answers to your question (i'll assume it is a question...) :
1) the foreign nurses hired over the american new grad had more experience, and is therefore less costly for the hospital to train.
2) the foreign nurse was sponsored by that particular hospital to obtain her work visa/green card and therefore owes that hospital between 2 and 5 years . as a result, the hospital gains an employee that they know will not quit at least until the end of their contract.
lastly, it may be a combination of the above 2 answers....when an employer sponsors a foreign professional, they have to prove without a doubt that the foreigner they are about to hire and sponsor is better qualified than an american professional applying for the same job; or that no american professional has applied for the said job for x months.