i just heard a comment from someone, who said that once i am a nurse that i will not be getting what i expect. they said that the usa, in general, is paying nurses to come over here, and work for less...therefore driving down the hourly pay for nurses and taking more jobs, that could have been given to us people from here. now, i don't want to make this a debate, i'm just curious if this is true.
i wouldn't exactly call it outsourcing..but what is it? if so, this is very discouraging. my fiance works in labor and it seems like everything is being driven down to pennies by the "outsiders"...but hey, i blame the greedy people who hire them. they aren't doing it for any other reason except for lower wages/labor. can someone give me a little input on this?
i live in nyc and i have to say, the last time i was in the hospital i was very surprised that none of the nurses and assistants spoke english very well at all...it was painfully obvious that they weren't from here...again, not discriminating..but i wonder...are usa citizens sort of discriminated against since we want better wages? is this why people say that medical assistants are replacing lpns etc?
over here in nyc a registered nurse can expect to start off making $36-40/hr. (honestly, for the stress nurses go thru i think it should be way more). this is fairly decent and may seem like a lot to others..but keep in mind that we pay $1,400 for a tiny studio in a decent area of queens (not even in the city). so our $36-40/hr translates to about $20ish/hr somewhere like down south or the midwest. definitely a liveable wage..but i think for the intensity of the job it should be more. ok, enough blabbing..i just need some feedback and views on this. thanks :)
i think that social conscience and life style just suck in the us!
i came from a country that is rated in the first 3 best health care systems, and where quality of life i find that the us is very much backward in so many areas that i feel sick to my stomach on a daily basis to witness the injustice, racism, narrow mindedness and greed going on here in the us of a! there are many immigrants who come to the us because the image this country projects outside is one of ease, affluence and freedom. but, to this day, i have yet to meet an immigrant who thinks that the image projected is anything like what they have experienced since coming here !
wake up my dear, your country is certainly not a god send, and many many americans live below the poverty level. the violence is unheard of in any other industrialized countries!
this is not a land of opportunities as far as i am concerned. there is much segregation going on. much censure as well. education is the least of all priorities and that is because it is much easier for governments to manipulate a nation of ignorant people.
there is much hatred and i am ashamed to ever be associated with the pettiness and narrow mindedness of so many people in this country!
the only real "americans" were the indians living on these territories before the colons came and killed most of them, then parked the survivors in reservations. nothing to be proud of!!!
people like you seem to forget where you came from. do your homework, learn your history, and stop spitting mean comments to create more hatred.
hekate
since the good ole us of a is so horrible, perhaps you and your husband should move to your country, you have better salaries, healthcare, living conditions. i am wondering why you and your spouse would leave such a wonderful place?? sounds like a nice place to me.
the only trouble with the usa is that we are complacent and too welcoming and give everything away. public school cant mention god or jesus because it offends certain religions. but we allow those certain religions to have prayer in those very schools. we bend over backwards to be welcoming to the detriment of our own liberties and freedoms.
yes we have so much poverty of our own people its sickening. yet, we provide housing, food, healthcoverage, education, higher education to people of other nations.
i am proud to be american and i am a "real american" born and bred, a line of many generations. i am tired of foreigners saying that we arent. that statement is a load of crap.
there have men and women that have sacrificed their lives for our freedom, and they are doing it as we speak. it is my dear.. the reason you are able to breathe the same air as i.
did you take world history of conflicts at school in your country? there is so much history of power struggles and conflicts in other countries. the usa was not the first. bloodshed is bad in every situtation, but i am proud of my country and my forefathers.
to read that you are very discontent with out country concerns me with you being in the medical field.
and i know that your views are not that of other foreigners or immigrants. most all are happy to be here and are productive and wanting a better way of life.
since the good ole us of a is so horrible, perhaps you and your husband should move to your country, you have better salaries, healthcare, living conditions. i am wondering why you and your spouse would leave such a wonderful place?? sounds like a nice place to me.my spouse is american....so he did not "leave" anything. but i'll agree with you about one thing: it is a wonderful place and i wish i could enjoy the same environment here....
the only trouble with the usa is that we are complacent and too welcoming and give everything away. public school cant mention god or jesus because it offends certain religions. but we allow those certain religions to have prayer in those very schools. we bend over backwards to be welcoming to the detriment of our own liberties and freedoms.how so?
yes we have so much poverty of our own people its sickening. yet, we provide housing, food, healthcoverage, education, higher education to people of other nations. really? where? how?
i am proud to be american and i am a "real american" born and bred, a line of many generations. i am tired of foreigners saying that we arent. that statement is a load of crap.
enlighten me and tell me what is a "real" american.
there have men and women that have sacrificed their lives for our freedom, and they are doing it as we speak. it is my dear.. the reason you are able to breathe the same air as i.
"=> please do tell me what you are referring to....i sure hope you are not talking about iraq !
did you take world history of conflicts at school in your country? there is so much history of power struggles and conflicts in other countries. the usa was not the first. bloodshed is bad in every situtation, but i am proud of my country and my forefathers. do you mean the "forefathers" that massacred the native indians on their own soil?
to read that you are very discontent with out country concerns me with you being in the medical field.
and i know that your views are not that of other foreigners or immigrants. most all are happy to be here and are productive and wanting a better way of life.
i believe you have truncated the part of my message explaining my reaction. it is quite typical to manipulate words by taking them out of their context!
know that my husband is a us citizen.
know that my knowledge of history is not limited to the history of the usa, but covers most of the world (that is 12 years of history classes....all year long, year after year.)
i weigh my words before writing them and if you believe that the poverty in this country is caused by your generosity to foreigners, you are only showing the depth of your ignorance.
in my practice as in my life, i make no difference in the way i treat people regardless of their origins. tomorrow i am spending my day volunteering for less fortunate than me, and these people happen to be americans.
as far as pretending to know what other immigrants/foreigners really think, i will tell you this: most of them will never tell a non-immigrant what they really think because they know how their frank opinion would be received: like you received my opinion. with intolerance...
ask yourself why the usa is "hated" by most of the rest of the world. certainly not because you are peace makers! you only intervene in conflicts where there is something to gain, and if you know your history that well, then you must know that the us has put people in power to then demote (and execute them) when they gained too much autonomy.
please do prove me wrong and give me one single example of us intervention where genocides are taking place, but no oil or geopolitics positions are motivating the intervention.
"to read that you are very discontent with out country concerns me with you being in the medical field."
do please explain this remark. as is, it does not make any sens to me.
once again, let me reiterate the fact that you have taken the end of my post out of context. i don't believe it to be a very honest process.
if you lack the humility and the curiosity to wonder if there could be some truth in my opinion (which is based on experience, not on a preconceived notion) then you are just exemplifying the narrow mindedness i come across so often.
to disregard all the other things i have written about my experience as a foreigner in this country worries me as far as your abilities to have compassion for a fellow human being.
pipe down. let's stop with the victim act and the boohooing. if you think it's terrible here, in the usa, i really encourage you to find someplace better. let me know what the name of that place is when you do find it though. if you think you are the only person that struggles here in the usa, you better think again.
i found most of your posts to be disrespectful rants. i can hardly take you seriously as a person. so i will save about 3 paragraphs of writing on that part.
however, you do have one thing right. a government will definitely run it's people to the ground when the people don't have enough backbone to stand up against it. that's why the usa gets walked all over like a mat.
very well. you are entitled to your opinion, but since you call my posts "disrespectful rants" and accuse me of playing the victim card, i'll ask you if you have actually read my posts in their context?
i am merely reacting to posts that i find very disrespectful and ignorant. i don't appreciate being constantly bashed because i am a foreigner and many of you "believe" that foreigners "take" your jobs.
so i am sharing the nice reality of a foreign nurse coming to the us. stating the xenophobic practices i have experienced in this country hardly counts as a "victim act".
i find quite interesting how little compassion and understanding one can have. does that mean that if you were to witness someone being discriminated against you would not do or even feel anything?
i guess it is a sacro-saint crime to criticize even the most evil practices in the country!? do you agree with everything happening around you?
beside being treated like a piece of crap by immigration people and a few citizens, i consider to have it easy as far as life style is concerned. but in case my message didn't get across, what makes me sick is to see how much injustice, poverty and violence exists in this country despite it being portrayed as the land of all opportunities.
coming from another country, i did and still do find shocking to see the disparities in a country that projects an image of such opulence.
contrary to what you think, my disgust is caused by the lack of tolerance and generosity i see around me. i am floored to see how many people struggle with the bare minimum to get by day in and day out.
where i come from is no paradise, but i can say that everyone is given an equal chance to education, health care and social support. i wish i could say the same thing about this country, but unfortunately, it isn't so....
do you disagree with that too?
i would have expected to find a more socially oriented crowd amongst nurses! i guess i was wrong on this count as well....
one last thing: when you say something like "i can hardly take you seriously as a person", at least do us both the favor of giving some king of rational for your "opinion". otherwise, i could not take your criticism seriously either.
LEN-RN
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hekate
since the good ole us of a is so horrible, perhaps you and your husband should move to your country, you have better salaries, healthcare, living conditions. i am wondering why you and your spouse would leave such a wonderful place?? sounds like a nice place to me.
the only trouble with the usa is that we are complacent and too welcoming and give everything away. public school cant mention god or jesus because it offends certain religions. but we allow those certain religions to have prayer in those very schools. we bend over backwards to be welcoming to the detriment of our own liberties and freedoms.
yes we have so much poverty of our own people its sickening. yet, we provide housing, food, healthcoverage, education, higher education to people of other nations.
i am proud to be american and i am a "real american" born and bred, a line of many generations. i am tired of foreigners saying that we arent. that statement is a load of crap.
there have men and women that have sacrificed their lives for our freedom, and they are doing it as we speak. it is my dear.. the reason you are able to breathe the same air as i.
did you take world history of conflicts at school in your country? there is so much history of power struggles and conflicts in other countries. the usa was not the first. bloodshed is bad in every situtation, but i am proud of my country and my forefathers.
to read that you are very discontent with out country concerns me with you being in the medical field.
and i know that your views are not that of other foreigners or immigrants. most all are happy to be here and are productive and wanting a better way of life.