Flu Vaccines. A Hassle?

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In my opinion its annoying that facilities make us get flu vaccines.

The vaccine is only viable for one season, it doesn't even protect you for a long time like the other vaccines.

Its all of them want you to get the flu vaccine or you will be suspended from work or if you're a student, you will not be allowed to do rotations.

Is it a conspiracy? What are they putting in our bodies every year?! :o

I don't know,

I just cant get over that news I watched a while where a woman who was healthy but then, got a dystonia from a flu shot.

I know, I sound paranoid... Lol

Specializes in Anesthesia.

Anyhoo, not that I'm going argue all the "peer-reviewed" evidence that gets our country terrible rankings in the world healthcare report card.....but

Just to be clear the lack of use of peer-reviewed scientific evidence of public health measures in the United States does not equate to poor American scientific inquiry. The information is there in the scientific literature on how to improve U.S. public healthcare outcomes, which by the way one of them is vaccinations, but the politics and profits in U.S. healthcare prevent many of these measures from being implemented in the U.S.

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Well since, the business community utilizes peer-reviewed scientific evidence that often relies on mathematics it is highly unlikely that any educated business person would confuse causation, coincidence, and plausible deniability as like terms.

I sincerely hope you retract that statement, as I will vehemently oppose you. (What pharmaceutical company do you work for anyway? )

*oops* your Narcissism is showing

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
Well since, the business community utilizes peer-reviewed scientific evidence that often relies on mathematics it is highly unlikely that any educated business person would confuse causation, coincidence, and plausible deniability as like terms.

I sincerely hope you retract that statement, as I will vehemently oppose you. (What pharmaceutical company do you work for anyway? )

You can oppose that if you want to, but that still doesn't mean that an educated person doesn't know the difference between those three terms.

What anti-vaccine(s) site are you supporting? Do you think that most of these high profile anti-vaccination persons aren't making a profit by selling their half-truths, outright lies, and/or alternative medicine products that play to the general public's fears?

I am USAF nurse corps officer, and I have been with the USAF for the last 13 years. I have no connection to any organization besides the USAF and the American Association of Nurse Anesthetists.

My education includes 4 college degrees (associates, BSN, MSN, and DNAP), vocational nursing certification, RN, CRNA, and currently a PhD nursing student.

I have extensive training in reviewing peer-reviewed scientific literature. Where exactly does your expertise in denying all this scientific literature come from?

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Specializes in Anesthesia.

*oops* your Narcissism is showing

You can throw insults to deflect your ignorance on this subject all you want, but it still amounts to the same thing you have provided no substantial peer-reviewed scientific evidence to support that vaccines are significantly dangerous or that vaccines should not be mandated for the general public including health care workers.

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That's a fair assessment for of someone who doesn't expect their care to depend on the fact that they are working for a "Business".

I worked as a manager for a major corporation so I suppose I project some of that. I don't ever want to treat someone as monetary value or expendable again.

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True story: I once cared for a patient with transverse myelitis directly linked to a flu shot. It was horrible.

These things happen to few. The flu kills many. I get my shot every year, including while I was taking care of that patient.

Science lays the foundation of our trade. It is grossly irresponsible not to own this.

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
True story: I once cared for a patient with transverse myelitis directly linked to a flu shot. It was horrible.

These things happen to few. The flu kills many. I get my shot every year, including while I was taking care of that patient.

Science lays the foundation of our trade. It is grossly irresponsible not to own this.

Interesting, do you have a good article on this or did they publish a case study on it? I would be interested in reading more about that reaction.

The only serious side effects to a vaccine so far that I have seen is from the small pox vaccine, which I do not advocate getting for several reasons.

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Interesting, do you have a good article on this or did they publish a case study on it? I would be interested in reading more about that reaction.

The only serious side effects to a vaccine so far that I have seen is from the small pox vaccine, which I do not advocate getting for several reasons.

I don't. He was a few years into his diagnosis and I helped him through a complication. The history was documented in our EMR, however, and it was chilling.

Understanding how histories are taken and diagnoses are made (especially of rare events) will always lead me to question a diagnosis when I am caring for a patient. However, when the documentation points to one thing, and you are treating something entirely different (wound/osteo), there is no point in challenging the clear disposition (paraplegia) regardless of the diagnostic cause.

However, in retrospect, I do wish I had more info. Sort of. It was my patient, I am not a researcher, I don't have permission, s/he has privacy. Not my business.

And also, I was busy (confess)

Knowing that GBS has been linked to vaccine (though perhaps not meaningfully--I don't know, I'm not bringing data) allowed me to say "ok. This happened to this person. I know it is rare. Just because I am seeing it doesn't make it more common" (havent we all seen lots of one in a millions?)

My point in sharing was to say--so what? Sometimes really bad things DO happen even when there is virtually no risk.

There is still virtually no risk to having a flu shot. Virtually is not literally. And we don't have to be irrational when faced with uncomfortable truths. Science supports vaccination in every way. However, 100% of everything involving life has some variation.

If we decline vaccination, we are way more likely to contribute to more death and more suffering than we are to have anything more than a sore arm if we get the shot .

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There's an alternate universe, where profit driven businesses put the health and welfare of their consumers first.

Bullcrap Mountain.

I don't support any anti-vaccine sites. In fact, I refrained myself from sending a horrible message to a site that I really wanted to support. They have over 17,000 followers. I looked at the research they had linked and it was a survey of 25 nurses. I WAS LIVID. I think you and I have had more intelligent debate than that. I should be making millions .....

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last time I got a flu shot, my whole body was shaking....I tried to tell myself there no risk.

No danger *just breathe*

.....just another panic attack ..I'm being unreasonable....... Why is this bothering me?

Am I having a panic attack ? "breathe" ... I can do this ...it's just a shot right?

Why am I being such a baby? STOP being such a baby and suck it up!!

The nurse puts the needle into my arm and I try to say nothing ....act like it's no big deal

I come home and lay down. I think I'm going to be okay...I kinda have to be. I'm shaking .....and I start to cry .

I thought I was okay with this ...what's wrong with me?

shaking .....everything is just shaking right now ....

Having any form of medical treatment against your will is wrong. NO body has the right to tell you what to think or feel .....

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Specializes in critical care.

wtbcrna, I think I love you.

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
I don't. He was a few years into his diagnosis and I helped him through a complication. The history was documented in our EMR, however, and it was chilling.

Understanding how histories are taken and diagnoses are made (especially of rare events) will always lead me to question a diagnosis when I am caring for a patient. However, when the documentation points to one thing, and you are treating something entirely different (wound/osteo), there is no point in challenging the clear disposition (paraplegia) regardless of the diagnostic cause.

However, in retrospect, I do wish I had more info. Sort of. It was my patient, I am not a researcher, I don't have permission, s/he has privacy. Not my business.

And also, I was busy (confess)

Knowing that GBS has been linked to vaccine (though perhaps not meaningfully--I don't know, I'm not bringing data) allowed me to say "ok. This happened to this person. I know it is rare. Just because I am seeing it doesn't make it more common" (havent we all seen lots of one in a millions?)

My point in sharing was to say--so what? Sometimes really bad things DO happen even when there is virtually no risk.

There is still virtually no risk to having a flu shot. Virtually is not literally. And we don't have to be irrational when faced with uncomfortable truths. Science supports vaccination in every way. However, 100% of everything involving life has some variation.

If we decline vaccination, we are way more likely to contribute to more death and more suffering than we are to have anything more than a sore arm if we get the shot .

I totally understand and I am just interested to see what the connection was/is to the flu vaccine. I will see what I can pull up later. I have had a couple of really rare complications happen to my surgical patients, non anesthesia related, where at least one made it into the literature as a case report.

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