I get a flu shot every year without any problem, and took a flu shot at work this week. This flu shot hurt a lot. It burned going in, and literally made my eyes tear up. Usually it doesn't hurt at all. I work nights, and went home and to bed right after. When I woke up the area was very swollen, red, hot to touch, and very sore. I took two Tylenol and went to work thinking the new H1N1 made it hurt worse, and it would get better.
By the next morning I felt feverish, my throat was so sore I could barely swallow my own secretions, and I was having periods of dizziness. I would be sitting there charting and suddenly feel as if the room had spun sideways. I made it through the night, and went home to bed. I woke up and my throat was better, but I had nausea, a headache, and was achy all over. I was off for the night so I went back to bed, and had a really rough night. I would be cold, but wake up wet with sweat so I think I was sweating off a fever.
When I got up I had hives all over me 16 total (back, buttocks, and sides). Since I have been up I have two more appear. I am still have a headache, feel achy, and feel feverish even though it shows my temp is normal.
I called into work tonight, and plan on seeing the Dr in the morning.
This year my hospital REQUIRED us to get the flu vaccine, paid for it, and administered it. If this is indeed a reaction can they consider my call in an occurrence, or would it fall under the workers comp plan as a work related situation?
I find the anti-vaccine groups to be the ones using fear: unsubstantiated horror stories about all the"toxins" in vaccines. When in reality, there's nothing in vaccines (other than the actual viral component) that aren't in the majority of our food and medicine.
Life experience has it's place, but it is at best only anecdotal evidence and we all know how seductive anecdotal evidence is....we'd all like to extrapolate what we see with our own eyes to entire populations.....but, through our education, we know that this isn't nearly as trustworthy as real research.
I have done quite a lot of research and I'm very discriminating on who I'll believe. Vaccines have undoubtedly been one of the most effective public health measures that we have implemented....hands down.
To those who believe in vaccines, I too at one time shared your belief as that I what I was taught and I believed that I had received good medical training (I graduated in the top of all my classes andtop 1% of my university). However, as life is, I have had life experiences and have seen the adverse affects of vaccines. Now, what is unacceptable , is that just because I have had life experiences that contraindicate what the CDC says, does not mean I will abandon the wisdom from my life experiences.
It is very interesting to note that it is more socially acceptable for me to claim religious practices as a reason to not take the vaccine than to claim an adverse reaction.
We have become so intolerant of anyone that has opposing to views to what we were/are taught. The health care industry has totally lost its compassion .
This vaccine issue has taught me a lot. I find the vaccine campaign and utilization of fear/guilt to entice health care workers to get the flu questionable. What's up with the fear campaign? Anytime ANYBODY utilizes fear to motivate, you should at least question why. Fear is utilizedoften to control. The flu vaccine does not prevent people from getting the flu. Do your own research and see for yourself. Go work in the ER and see...not only for the flu vaccine ,but others as well.. The CDC is not necessarily your bestest buddy ..simply look at how they handled the testing of HIV in blood products. The CDC is a government entity and it is subject to corruption and power plays just like the rest of the government. Australia banned the flu shot nationally for their kids. Think about that one and the process to ban something nationally... gotta have some significant data there.. Take off your polyanna glasses, do your own research and open your mind and think for yourself.
How about good ole common sense in preventing the flu. Good handwashing, healthy diet, healthy thoughts and adequate rest. Maybe that is what the flu is teaching us. We're not getting enough rest. Then why take a shot so we can continue to work instead of honoring our body's own inherit wisdom and enhancing our well-being?.
Regardless of whatever stance you take, develop the compassion for others to honor their life experiences despite the difference from yours..
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I have given (supervised or injected) over 3500 flu shots so far this season . . . about 1 in 600 report some pain on injection . . . I attribute this to inadvertent injection into a ligament or tendon, or possibly into periosteum. The latter is likely to cause the most pain. Localized redness in the subcutaneos tissues likely indicates that your IM injection was actually given into Subcutaneous tissues. this would explain the burning and redness. best advice is to report the issue in case you develop an infection or other sort of adverse event . . but take Tylenol and this should pass withing 5 to 7 days. It is remotely possible that you have had a atypical response to the carrier agent in the vaccine, if this is the case it should also pass with time, and best advice is to take 25-50 mg of benadryl when you get your shot next year . . . better to get a sore arm that to get the flu and get everyone around you sick in the days before you realize you have the flu!
Curious me, I usually just read the topics and the community comments but this one has me feeling like I need to participate somehow. I don't see why you feel so strongly that people should be forced to take a vaccine that they neither feel comfortable or safe taking. Whether or not the person is right or wrong with their facts that assist them to make the decision to participate or not participate, the point is, it's ultimately their body and it should be their decision and their decision alone. We as a society allow abortion, and that involves the killing of another (innocent) human that can't even speak for herself/himself because it's part of the mother's body and her right to terminate that life by virtue of it being her body but yet you're saying people have to allow their body's to be violated by a vaccine they don't want or even believe in. I am flabbergasted by this whole topic. It should be black and white. We either get it or we don't, cut and dried, there doesn't need to be all this drama if someone chooses not to partake. We are living in a really bizarro world when it's O.K. to have an unborn baby's life terminated if one so desires (for the flimsiest of reasons), but if one chooses to not get a single flu vaccine, they risk being fired from their job or labeled some sort of weirdo. I know the topic wasn't about abortion at all but I'm just using that to demonstrate how far off the mark we've strayed. Please don't shred me into a million pieces with your mouth like you've done to others on here regarding this topic, especially Ottawa. I don't believe it's necessary to be nasty or condescending to voice your opinion!
Why should those who don't even want the vaccine in the first place have to undergo any discomfort at all. In the same way that abstinance prevents pregnancy 100% of the time, avoiding the vaccine all together prevents adverse reactions and any kind of discomfort 100% of the time! When in doubt, leave it out!
Specializes in acute care med/surg, LTC, orthopedics.
Curious me, I usually just read the topics and the community comments but this one has me feeling like I need to participate somehow. I don't see why you feel so strongly that people should be forced to take a vaccine that they neither feel comfortable or safe taking. Whether or not the person is right or wrong with their facts that assist them to make the decision to participate or not participate, the point is, it's ultimately their body and it should be their decision and their decision alone. We as a society allow abortion, and that involves the killing of another (innocent) human that can't even speak for herself/himself because it's part of the mother's body and her right to terminate that life by virtue of it being her body but yet you're saying people have to allow their body's to be violated by a vaccine they don't want or even believe in. I am flabbergasted by this whole topic. It should be black and white. We either get it or we don't, cut and dried, there doesn't need to be all this drama if someone chooses not to partake. We are living in a really bizarro world when it's O.K. to have an unborn baby's life terminated if one so desires (for the flimsiest of reasons), but if one chooses to not get a single flu vaccine, they risk being fired from their job or labeled some sort of weirdo. I know the topic wasn't about abortion at all but I'm just using that to demonstrate how far off the mark we've strayed. Please don't shred me into a million pieces with your mouth like you've done to others on here regarding this topic, especially Ottawa. I don't believe it's necessary to be nasty or condescending to voice your opinion!
Good post, Chiggy. The short answer being our world consists of those that are leaders and those that are followers. The leaders stand up for their own personal and professional interests and the followers blindly follow procedure or protocol for fear of ramification or punishment. The irony being that even if the followers inherently disagree with the practice, they are in fact perpetuating it by not standing up for their right to choose.
Which is really all this topic as well as any other "choice" topic ie) abortion, euthanasia, etc. etc. are all about as far as I'm concerned: The Right to Choose.
Yes, that was really the only point I was making. When they force a mother to keep her unborn baby inside "her body" until a safe birth occurs, then maybe, just maybe, they'll have an argument. Until then, it's my body and if I don't feel safe putting a foreign chemical or pathogen, dead or alive in my arm, then I should not have to.
Who wrote this? How can I check their credentials? Anyone can publish on a web site. Show me an article on a trustworthy site.
I'm not sure which government agencies you spoke with. But the issue of vaccine hesitancy is being looked at at a federal as well as state level. As I said earlier...the issue is less about whether vaccines are safe & effective and more about a lack of trust. There is overwhelming evidence out there about the safety and efficacy of vaccines....but folks don't believe it because it's conducted by the CDC, who they don't trust.
So far have spoken with Dr. Ross Findlater (Saskatoon Public Health Region Chief Medical Officer) Dr. David Butler Jones - (Chief Health Minister for the Government of Canada), Health Critic for the NDP - Judy Wasylicia-Leis, Dr. Chris Shaw (Neurobiologist and Professor at UBC), Dr. Shiv Chopra (Ex- Health Canada PhD who exposed the rBGH in the milk supply scandal) and Deborah Cohen (editor at the British Medical Journal). Dr. David Butler Jones and Dr. Ross Findlater were kind enough to hear my concerns, but sidestepped questions regarding the PACE (Parliamentary Assembly of the Commission of Europe's) report on the transparency of the WHO, it's various conflict of interest claims aimed at Big Pharma and the WHO as well as the various governments.
division of rheumatology and clinical immunology, department of medicine, university of florida, p.o. box 100221, 1600 sw archer road, gainesville, fl 32610-0221, usa. [email protected]
abstract
exposure to the hydrocarbon oil pristane induces lupus specific autoantibodies in non-autoimmune mice. we investigated whether the capacity to induce lupus-like autoimmunity is a unique property of pristane or is shared by other adjuvant oils. seven groups of 3-month-old female balb/cj mice received a single intraperitoneal injection of pristane, squalene (used in the adjuvant mf59), incomplete freund's adjuvant (ifa), three different medicinal mineral oils, or saline, respectively. serum autoantibodies and peritoneal cytokine production were measured. in addition to pristane, the mineral oil bayol f (ifa) and the endogenous hydrocarbon squalene both induced anti-nrnp/sm and -su autoantibodies (20% and 25% of mice, respectively). all of these hydrocarbons had prolonged effects on cytokine production by peritoneal apcs. however, high levels of il-6, il-12, and tnfalpha production 2-3 months after intraperitoneal injection appeared to be associated with the ability to induce lupus autoantibodies. the ability to induce lupus autoantibodies is shared by several hydrocarbons and is not unique to pristane. it correlates with stimulation of the production of il-12 and other cytokines, suggesting a relationship with a hydrocarbon's adjuvanticity. the potential to induce autoimmunity may complicate the use of oil adjuvants in human and veterinary vaccines.
pmid: 12892730 [pubmed - indexed for medline]
baxter contaminates vaccine supply with live h5n1.... this is the link to the article, but when you click on the link there's no story. i tried accessing it another way on bloomberg and it says there is no match... i also tried several links to newspaper articles and their articles no longer exist. the one from the toronto sun which i accessed about a month ago also no longer exists.
baxter acknowledges h5n1-tainted lab samples
officials from baxter today responded to reports of influenza vaccine contaminated with the h5n1 virus that caused a scare at a czech laboratory. chris bona, a baxter spokesman, told bloomberg news that the virus material sent to labs in three countries near its austria headquarters was supposed to contain seasonal flu virus but was unintentionally contaminated with the h5n1 virus. the czech lab workers discovered the error when inoculated ferrets died. so far, none of the workers have become ill.
i hope that this selection of (as you say) reputable links will be a start into investigating the issue for yourself.
as well, i have over 100 peer reviewed articles relating to vitamin e toxicity, squalene toxicity, rheumatoid arthritis induction by adjuvants in rats, thimerosol toxicity, polysorbate 80 toxicity and auto-immune disease, aluminum based vaccines (as03 proprietary adjuvant by gsk) and more... if you are interested in any of these please let me know and i'll get the links for you.
Good post, Chiggy. The short answer being our world consists of those that are leaders and those that are followers. The leaders stand up for their own personal and professional interests and the followers blindly follow procedure or protocol for fear of ramification or punishment. The irony being that even if the followers inherently disagree with the practice, they are in fact perpetuating it by not standing up for their right to choose.
Which is really all this topic as well as any other "choice" topic ie) abortion, euthanasia, etc. etc. are all about as far as I'm concerned: The Right to Choose.
Is your implication that those who do their research and see the value and safety of vaccinations....are followers, because they disagree with you?
The problem with coining vaccination strictly as a "right to choose" issue, is that it's an issue that has huge public health implications. We are health care professionals. There are plenty of things that I give up my rights on to be able to be a health care professional. I am required to get drug tested, I'm required to have an FBI Background check, and I'm required to not be a danger to my patients by being vaccinated.
I can always choose to not work in a hospital, and then I will not be required by anyone to have a vaccine.
For some reason, you feel this is a constitutional issue....even though it has nothing to do with the constitution. But, it's simply not.
Curious me, I usually just read the topics and the community comments but this one has me feeling like I need to participate somehow. I don't see why you feel so strongly that people should be forced to take a vaccine that they neither feel comfortable or safe taking. Whether or not the person is right or wrong with their facts that assist them to make the decision to participate or not participate, the point is, it's ultimately their body and it should be their decision and their decision alone.
My whole point is that they aren't forced. No one is forced to take any vaccine. It may be a condition of employment, but the employee is always free to work some place else. There are lots of conditions of employment as a health care professional, vaccination has long been one of them.
I do feel strongly about correcting misinformation that is so prevalent on this issue. I also get upset when this issue is couched in the terms of being a violation of civil rights. I think that diminishes the true civil rights battles that continue to go on today in order for someone to try to emotionalize a very straight forward issue.
We as a society allow abortion, and that involves the killing of another (innocent) human that can't even speak for herself/himself because it's part of the mother's body and her right to terminate that life by virtue of it being her body but yet you're saying people have to allow their body's to be violated by a vaccine they don't want or even believe in. I am flabbergasted by this whole topic. It should be black and white. We either get it or we don't, cut and dried, there doesn't need to be all this drama if someone chooses not to partake. We are living in a really bizarro world when it's O.K. to have an unborn baby's life terminated if one so desires (for the flimsiest of reasons), but if one chooses to not get a single flu vaccine, they risk being fired from their job or labeled some sort of weirdo. I know the topic wasn't about abortion at all but I'm just using that to demonstrate how far off the mark we've strayed. Please don't shred me into a million pieces with your mouth like you've done to others on here regarding this topic, especially Ottawa. I don't believe it's necessary to be nasty or condescending to voice your opinion!
I'll say again, that no one has been forced to have a vaccine. There have always been conditions of employment to work as a health care professional, this is no different. If someone is opposed to being vaccinated, they are free to work someplace else....I agree, it really is very cut and dried.
I feel that it's been Ottawa who has been nasty and condescending, so we'll agree to disagree there.
I don't see any relationship between abortion and an employer requiring health care professionals to be vaccinated (just like they require other vaccinations).
So far have spoken with Dr. Ross Findlater (Saskatoon Public Health Region Chief Medical Officer) Dr. David Butler Jones - (Chief Health Minister for the Government of Canada), Health Critic for the NDP - Judy Wasylicia-Leis, Dr. Chris Shaw (Neurobiologist and Professor at UBC), Dr. Shiv Chopra (Ex- Health Canada PhD who exposed the rBGH in the milk supply scandal) and Deborah Cohen (editor at the British Medical Journal). Dr. David Butler Jones and Dr. Ross Findlater were kind enough to hear my concerns, but sidestepped questions regarding the PACE (Parliamentary Assembly of the Commission of Europe's) report on the transparency of the WHO, it's various conflict of interest claims aimed at Big Pharma and the WHO as well as the various governments.
Is your implication that those who do their research and see the value and safety of vaccinations....are followers, because they disagree with you?
The problem with coining vaccination strictly as a "right to choose" issue, is that it's an issue that has huge public health implications. We are health care professionals. There are plenty of things that I give up my rights on to be able to be a health care professional. I am required to get drug tested, I'm required to have an FBI Background check, and I'm required to not be a danger to my patients by being vaccinated.
I can always choose to not work in a hospital, and then I will not be required by anyone to have a vaccine.
For some reason, you feel this is a constitutional issue....even though it has nothing to do with the constitution. But, it's simply not.
Really? Where would you be able to work that you wouldn't be required to have a vaccine???? Public health??? Nope... dealing with the elderly and children. Long term care??? Nope, dealing with palliative and elderly people again. Third world countries???? Nope gotta get a shot to go overseas...... So pretty much vaccination is everywhere....so long as you Nurse. So then can you be a nurse and not be vaccinated?
I do personally feel it is a constitutional issue. When a government considers mandating vaccinations, then it becomes a constitutional issue and no longer a employer policy issue.
How far are we willing to allow our personal rights as Nurses to be superceded by the rights of others. A patient has more rights to determine the course of their own healthcare than the nurse providing it. Does that seem right?
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I find the anti-vaccine groups to be the ones using fear: unsubstantiated horror stories about all the"toxins" in vaccines. When in reality, there's nothing in vaccines (other than the actual viral component) that aren't in the majority of our food and medicine.
Life experience has it's place, but it is at best only anecdotal evidence and we all know how seductive anecdotal evidence is....we'd all like to extrapolate what we see with our own eyes to entire populations.....but, through our education, we know that this isn't nearly as trustworthy as real research.
I have done quite a lot of research and I'm very discriminating on who I'll believe. Vaccines have undoubtedly been one of the most effective public health measures that we have implemented....hands down.