Florida has nearly all ballots counted on Election Day, while California can take weeks.

[NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN]

Delco Times 10/9/2024

Florida has nearly all ballots counted on Election Day, while California can take weeks. This is why

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The gap is a natural result of election officials choosing to emphasize different concerns and priorities.

Unlike Florida, PA Republican legislators did not allow mail-in ballots to be opened and processed prior to 7AM election day when mail-in ballot expansion permitted in 2020.

[toomuchbaloney]

It seems like this is a state's rights issue.  There is some discussion now about creating a national framework for the state administration of federal elections.  That becomes necessary when Trump Republicans persist in lying about and undermining election security. 

It's notable, isn't it, that republicans slow down the vote count and then complain that the count is too slow and then they smirk at the expected conspiracy theories that the slow vote count is evidence of cheating by liberals. 

[Beerman, BSN]

In PA each county decides when to start counting votes.   Do you have any evidence that its up to "Republican legislators"?

[Crusades]

Beerman said:

In PA each county decides when to start counting votes.   Do you have any evidence that its up to "Republican legislators"?

Why do democrats have such a problem when Republicans want to make sure elections are fair and lawful? 

[toomuchbaloney]

Beerman said:

In PA each county decides when to start counting votes.   Do you have any evidence that its up to "Republican legislators"?

There's some evidence, yes. 

https://www.spotlightpa.org/news/2024/05/precanvassing-mail-ballots-2024-election-pennsylvania-legislature/

[NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN]

Beerman said:

In PA each county decides when to start counting votes.   Do you have any evidence that its up to "Republican legislators"?

Sure --should have included links to back up my statement

PA Spotlight 5/2/2024

Pennsylvania state House advances bill to give counties more time to count mail ballots

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HARRISBURG — Pennsylvania House Democrats are again pushing to allow counties time to process mail ballots before the day of the election. But the effort appears doomed because of the Senate GOP majority's insistence on pairing the measure with an expanded voter ID law.

A House bill passed Wednesday in a party line vote would allow counties up to seven days before election day to open ballot envelopes and run ballots through scanning machines, though results would still be tabulated on the day of the election. Currently, counties cannot begin processing mail ballots until the morning of the election, which means counties with large numbers of mail ballots may need additional days to finish counting and report complete results.

The extra time for the process, known as pre-canvassing, has been a priority for Democratic lawmakers this session and has drawn bipartisan support at the county level. But efforts to cut a deal with Republicans have repeatedly fallen apart, a fate that seems likely to repeat, even though this year's bill is much more narrowly tailored than previous measures.

 

WHYY 6/17/2024

Partisan gridlock prevents fixes to Pennsylvania's voting laws as presidential election looms

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Political gridlock in Pennsylvania over election laws dates to 2019, when a Republican-controlled legislature greatly expanded voting by mail in a compromise with then-Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf.

Within months, then-President Donald Trump began, without evidence, demonizing voting by mail as rife with fraud, turning Republican voters against it and leading Republican lawmakers to backtrack on their support. He has taken contradictory stances this year — promoting mail voting while also supporting lawsuits against it.

The attacks on mail voting have created partisan battle lines around attempts to fix it in Pennsylvania.

Democrats also want to add early in-person voting, a convenience already adopted by most states, but it's been a nonstarter for Republicans. Unlike some other states, Pennsylvanian voters can't change their election laws because the state constitution doesn't allow citizens to write their own ballot initiatives....

...And at least two Republican-controlled counties are being sued over their refusal to help voters fix technical errors with mail-in ballots — such as a missing date or inner secrecy envelope — to avoid the ballot getting tossed out....

 

FL gives voters 2 days post election to cure ballots; CA one month.

Republicans lose bid to block Pennsylvania voters from 'curing' mail-in ballots

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Oct 7 (Reuters) - Pennsylvania election officials will be able to notify voters of any mistakes in their mail-in ballots and let them make changes, the state's top court ruled, in a blow to Republicans who sought to block the practice in a state crucial to determining who will be the next U.S. president.

In declining on Saturday to hear a lawsuit brought by the Republican National Committee and its state affiliate against so-called notice and cure procedures, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court said the RNC filed the case too close to the Nov. 5 election, ...

...In asking the court on Sept. 18 to block county election boards from adapting "notice and cure" procedures, the RNC argued that the state's legislature had not granted the local boards the authority to adopt them.

In a Sept. 20 court filing, the Democratic National Committee and its state affiliate argued that the state's election laws indeed gave local boards the authority to implement such measures, and said the ruling the Republicans sought would prevent local officials from facilitating voter participation.

 

PA Dept of State Election info: Ballot curing

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Under Pennsylvania law, counties are not required to allow voters to address errors on envelopes that have been returned to their county, but they are permitted to do so. The method of how and whether to allow voters to address the errors observed on their voting materials is a matter of county discretion. To find out the procedures in a specific county, reporters should contact the appropriate county election office.

My County permits ballot curing since 2020. updated policy 2024

[Beerman, BSN]

NRSKarenRN said:

Sure --should have included links to back up my statement

PA Spotlight 5/2/2024

Pennsylvania state House advances bill to give counties more time to count mail ballots

WHYY 6/17/2024

Partisan gridlock prevents fixes to Pennsylvania's voting laws as presidential election looms

FL gives voters 2 days post election to cure ballots; CA one month.

Republicans lose bid to block Pennsylvania voters from 'curing' mail-in ballots

PA Dept of State Election info: Ballot curing

My County permits ballot curing since 2020. updated policy 2024

Yep, I figured there was more to it.

Sounds like they could get those things they want if they simply would agree to negotiate some common sense expanded ID measures.  

[toomuchbaloney]

Beerman said:

Yep, I figured there was more to it.

Sounds like they could get those things they want if they simply would agree to negotiate some common sense expanded ID measures.  

Is there a problem with in person voter fraud that requires additional laws?  Why is necessary ballot counting improvement held hostage to some republican fever dream about voter ID issues?  It seems to me that a problem with delayed vote counting was identified and legislation was proposed to address that problem. It seems that republicans have failed to identify a problem with voter fraud which would be addressed by the newly crafted laws but they forward the laws anyway.  That's the ID problem.  

[NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN]

There are still hundreds of PA citizens without birth certificates as birth recorded just in church records prior 195Os, Amish without photo IDs, records destroyed in fires/floods--- preventing them to vote.   That's why photo ID an issue.   I can't get real ID as birth certificate without baptismal middle name, which is on marriage and drivers license. PA told me need to go to court to get birth certificate amended. Lawyer contacted 6 mo. Ago....still in process.  If state wants to start process ID for those born after 2020, could see that as option.  As it stands, voting tied to PA drivers license or S.S # now.  

 

[Beerman, BSN]

NRSKarenRN said:

There are still hundreds of PA citizens without birth certificates as birth recorded just in church records prior 195Os, Amish without photo IDs, records destroyed in fires/floods--- preventing them to vote.   That's why photo ID an issue.   I can't get real ID as birth certificate without baptismal middle name, which is on marriage and drivers license. PA told me need to go to court to get birth certificate amended. Lawyer contacted 6 mo. Ago....still in process.  If state wants to start process ID for those born after 2020, could see that as option.  As it stands, voting tied to PA drivers license or S.S # now.  

 

They needed a ID to register and the first time they voted.  So, why not when they vote thereafter?

[NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN]

If they are voting at the same location for years, why the need --what would it change when I sign the voting poll book ?  Election staff compare signatures to electronic one in poll book when signing -some ask to confirm address to ensure voting correct location.     My son updated CDL license and voting record to his apt. so will need to show ID at new location this November, thereafter just sign voting poll book.

What does showing ID accomplish unless not signing a poll book, just being handed a ballot?   Most of the election workers have worked the polls for years, are our neighbors and know many of us.  

[toomuchbaloney]

Beerman said:

They needed a ID to register and the first time they voted.  So, why not when they vote thereafter?

Is there some growing problem with in person voter fraud that this requirement is addressing?  Or is it just another thing that a registered voter must do to appease the unfounded but amplified fears of conservatives?