Fired

[Lilynelo]

I’m new on this page. I started a new job Feb 17 2020. Had 1 week orientation off the floor. Came to the floor the following week and started my orientation which was meant to last for 6 days, been that I am experienced. 4 days into my orientation, the manger called and handed me a paper of some areas I wasn’t meeting their expectations which my preceptor told him. I told him I would work on it.

2 days later after I have completed my orientation, I came in having in mind that I will work on my own, only for the manager to call me to his office and said I was fired. That I wasn’t meeting up to the criteria.

All along, my preceptor never told me of my mistake. I have 8 years of experience and this is not my first hospital job. I feel I was discriminated. Also, could it be because I’m pregnant and will be due in 4 months?

[ellendeenurse, BSN]

Do a free consultation with an employment lawyer. You could have a case. I have no idea - I am not a lawyer and I don't know the facts. But I think it's worth consulting a lawyer.

[Sheila Worthen]

Prophecy test. After reading about the company and a merger with another business, I was shocked to read that they are saying if you are shade or color blind you are a danger to patients. The reasoning is you might miss subtle changes in color of patients skin. I was taught that if you get to that point you missed something already. I personally look at this as discrimination as I am shade blind. Not a normal female trait. I have already refused one job because it was required. Anyone else experienced this ? I did take the rhythm test passed it the second time. However a board certified cardiologist where I was working did not. Bad Test .

[umbdude, MSN, APRN]

I would request a complete personnel record from HR to see what's in there. I'm not sure whether this is state-dependent, but in my state HR is required to provide you with a complete HR record within several business days. I think it's just better to have that knowledge on hand.

[caliotter3]

22 hours ago, Katie82 said:

I really hate to mention this because I have no idea if this pertains to your case. Rather than going the BSN/MSN route, I have a BBA/MBA in Health Care Management. Most of my classmates were already employed in health care. In one of my HR classes, we discussed that some hospitals were trending toward over-hiring new grads, with the thought that they would just fire those whose performance was on the lower half of the spectrum. I really found this difficult to believe, but several classmates shared that they thought their hospitals were doing just that. Hiring 20 nurses to fill 10 slots then keeping the ten they liked best. I only mention this because I have seen a lot of posts lately that were made by nurses who think they were fired during orientation for no cause. I hate to think this happens, but who knows. I just hate to see all these new nurses being fired because they thought they did something wrong.

This makes a lot of sense.

[Sheila Worthen]

I agree. It is unfortunate but true, at least here in the South. Another trend is to not hire "old nurses". I lost a job because I reported to HR, that my boss with 7 years experience in a cardiac unit in a small hospital, had announced to the staff that she was not going to hire "Old Nurses". Immediately she began to question, and complain about everything I did. Even to the point of lying to me about what a MD had reported to her about my actions. I discussed the issue with said MD and he had no knowledge of what I was speaking of. I had no intention of going to the labor board I just thought someone should speak to her about it. As I had a previously scheduled appt. with my MD I mentioned it to her. She was MAD and immediately started taking notes in her words " I'm going to do this correctly as this is age discrimination . So it is happening to new grads and those with decades of experience. Unfortunately the government has placed so many demands ( and some unrealistic) on healthcare, that it has become all about the bottom line.

[kbrn2002, ADN, RN]

I've never heard of an acute care setting that expects new employees to be totally up to speed and on their own in 6 days. Regardless of previous experience that is insane. How on earth do they manage to hire and retain any nurses with an orientation that short? You should probably be thanking your lucky stars that you got fired from that place!

[Kooky Korky, BSN, RN]

On 3/21/2020 at 4:00 PM, Sheila Worthen said:

Prophecy test. After reading about the company and a merger with another business, I was shocked to read that they are saying if you are shade or color blind you are a danger to patients. The reasoning is you might miss subtle changes in color of patients skin. I was taught that if you get to that point you missed something already. I personally look at this as discrimination as I am shade blind. Not a normal female trait. I have already refused one job because it was required. Anyone else experienced this ? I did take the rhythm test passed it the second time. However a board certified cardiologist where I was working did not. Bad Test .

You think doctors know everything?

[Kooky Korky, BSN, RN]

On 3/22/2020 at 8:25 AM, Sheila Worthen said:

I agree. It is unfortunate but true, at least here in the South. Another trend is to not hire "old nurses". I lost a job because I reported to HR, that my boss with 7 years experience in a cardiac unit in a small hospital, had announced to the staff that she was not going to hire "Old Nurses". Immediately she began to question, and complain about everything I did. Even to the point of lying to me about what a MD had reported to her about my actions. I discussed the issue with said MD and he had no knowledge of what I was speaking of. I had no intention of going to the labor board I just thought someone should speak to her about it. As I had a previously scheduled appt. with my MD I mentioned it to her. She was MAD and immediately started taking notes in her words " I'm going to do this correctly as this is age discrimination . So it is happening to new grads and those with decades of experience. Unfortunately the government has placed so many demands ( and some unrealistic) on healthcare, that it has become all about the bottom line.

The doctor might have told you that he had no knowledge about whatever you spoke about to him. That doesn't mean he told you the truth. He likely just didn't want to get involved in your problem.

[Elaken]

On 4/8/2020 at 8:21 AM, kbrn2002 said:

I've never heard of an acute care setting that expects new employees to be totally up to speed and on their own in 6 days. Regardless of previous experience that is insane. How on earth do they manage to hire and retain any nurses with an orientation that short? You should probably be thanking your lucky stars that you got fired from that place!

I am float pool for my hospital network. Our new employees get 2 days and many of them are floating to 5 different hospitals that are all a little different. It is quick but, honestly, it is really doable. I have preceptored a lot of staff and very few did I have any concerns about. If you are a strong nurse and good with technology most can hit the ground running. Just have to be willing to ask questions.

Since she had 6 days I don’t think it is egregious for her to not take all the patients on day two though. Clearly she should already know patient care so really the preceptor and her should split the load so they have time to explain charting and hospital specific things.

I totally can see the manager deciding to get rid of her because pregnant especially if a state that has some maternity leave. I just don’t know why the preceptor would have any ulterior motives.

[S124]

I been a CNA for two years working for this company that kinda follow the rules...I just resent I was At work and I was pushing a food cart and I couldn’t see and didn’t mean to but I hit the patient in the leg and later on he was bleeding I told the nurse what happened do thInk I could be written up or suspended ???  I know I hurts someone and I did take responsibility for it but can written up for it or red flag on my license ?

[HiddencatBSN, BSN]

On 4/13/2020 at 12:25 PM, Elaken said:

I am float pool for my hospital network. Our new employees get 2 days and many of them are floating to 5 different hospitals that are all a little different. It is quick but, honestly, it is really doable. I have preceptored a lot of staff and very few did I have any concerns about. If you are a strong nurse and good with technology most can hit the ground running. Just have to be willing to ask questions.

Since she had 6 days I don’t think it is egregious for her to not take all the patients on day two though. Clearly she should already know patient care so really the preceptor and her should split the load so they have time to explain charting and hospital specific things.

I totally can see the manager deciding to get rid of her because pregnant especially if a state that has some maternity leave. I just don’t know why the preceptor would have any ulterior motives.

I hope this doesn’t become the norm. Expecting new hires to learn policies, layout, resources, and culture while independently running their own assignment is a poor welcome to the organization at best.

You can be comfortable asking all the questions you like but that doesn’t help you with the questions you don’t know you need to be asking.