Fired from Assisting Living Facililty!

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After working as an RN in a variety of roles in LTC for over 20 years, I switched to working as the full time RN in 2 separate Assisted Living facilities (under the same company). Both of these Assisted Living facilities had a memory care unit attached so these residents required heavy care. Many were 2 staff transfers which was not a problem as staffing was adequate (in numbers only, not training). What was not adequate was that aides were being hired "off the street" & they were expected to pass meds after a crash course in med passing, even administering predrawn insulins. The ALA staff weren't even CNA certified. After being employed there for 7 months & doing what I thought was a decent job, I was unexpectedly fired. I was reminded on several occasions that I had to get my LTC thinking mode out of my head & to start thinking Assisted Living mode instead, but with the type of residents they had in the memory care units it was very difficult for me to do so. For example, I had to get orders for bowel programs due to impactions, wound care for decubitis ulcers, etc. The administrator was an LPN & she would go behind my back & tell the staff to do things differently after I had given instructions for something specific (such as giving someone a pain med before bedtime to prevent nighttime wandering, etc). The reason for them firing me, according to this LPN/administator & the VP, was due to my mind being supposedly in LTC mode & faxing MD's too often for orders. I really loved that job & I'm still in shock! Anyone ever heard of this before? I have been an RN for 28 years & was an LPN prior to that; I've never had so much as a written warning until this happened! Thanks in advance & I aplogize for a long post! :mad::crying2:

Jerenemarie

Tempted to look at ads for jobs in ALFs lately. Threads like this tell me to stay away.

As much as it must sting, this is a blessing. I hate it when someone with a lower "education level" (and I say this kindly) is going behind and un doing what is the "right thing" for the patients to cut corners. Regretfully I am seeing that more and more these days in various companies. While they will profess "high patient care " standards, they cut necessary staff each shift and would rather "react" to a problem such as a high census of patients for one person to care for on a shift and hope that no one "goes down" with an emergent situation.

Also, with no paper trail, or formal written warnings, it does sound like wrongful termination depending on what state you are in.

omg, i have worked in a place like that. there are all over our nation! the problem lies with "non medical" owners of these facilities; all they care about is how the facility "looks" and their "bottom line"

you are so.....right when you say that some staff members are not even certified (to hand out meds). the lpn's have no regard for rn's and their responsibilities/decisions and that's just disrespectful. i know, as i was an lpn before and i saw so much it made me sick. no matter your title, people need to always respect each other. what the ?? because you call the doctors; are you kidding me?? tough, you were hired to protect these patients and to give make professional calls! shame on the person who reported this and felt you were not "one of the girls"........

listen; be thankful you are no longer there; and that your license is still intact! shame on that facility!!!! :yeah::yeah::yeah:

Specializes in LTC, Home Health, Hospice.
Evidently, you have been to the assisted living facility where I currently work. I wouldn't say the family members are concerned about anything because most of them never bother to visit but I am concerned about what they pay vs. what they get. The starting rate where I work for a resident is $3000. I don't know how high it goes. Let me tell ya, they are definitely NOT getting $3000 worth of care. All that money and nothing extra is provided. Family is responsible for buying things like kleenex, incontinent products, pens, paper, vitamins, ANYTHING extra. Also the food is very sporifice, low quality, and no variety.

I understand you comment..cost vs. services. I often frequented Assisted Living places and found the majority of them to be quite disgusting. the food to be not quite what the resident is used to getting..ie the care givers are of one ethnicity and that is what the residents get, and quite often that is not what they are supposed to be eating...A diabetic who gets rice with 3 meals a day? And they only get changed every 8 hours, regardless, dignity is not given, open doors so everyone can see., lack of water, no verbal stimulation, no understanding of the meds given or adverse reactions, not to mention the language barrier...ooy, dont get me started. I often wonder why...if these places can charge so much, yet don't have the same rules/regs as a SNF? They should?

You,Original Poster were right to get orders for everything. I pray that you are able to find a job at a place that values Nurses for who and what they are.

Comments:

1. Residents described require higher level of skilled care and do not belong in an assisted living environment any longer.

2. Residents who have progressed to mid and to later stages of ALZ require trained and licensed staff 24/7, again this facility is not appropriate for these individuals.

3. With all due respect for LPNs , It does not take a higher level of education beyond LPN to practice personal integrity and to recognize prostitution of talent.

4. The boss overules the RN's decisions because she is the administrator, not because she is a foolish LPN with less education. Administrator and LPN are two different job functions, unless a job description states otherwise.

5. To hire a licensed person/RN and then prevent the RN from doing her job does not make sense, it is not even profitable. There must be another motive for hiring the RN. At this point, you have put yourself at risk for staying seven months in this facility. I don't even understand why you said you liked the job?

6. Pain management programs recommend administration of ordered pain meds before pain levels escalate higher enough to cause severe patient distress. I see your point.:redpinkhe

7. You are a great nurse. I am glad you are not working there anymore, and you are safe and protected from similar involvements. From personal observation, companies who post wanted job ads for the same nurse positions, say every 3 to 6 months usually indicate instability and high employee turnover. I see a lot of them like these now.

I don't know what state you practice in. But I think most states operate similarly in these situations. SNF's are governed by the department of health. Assistant living is governed by department of social services. In California, maybe most if not all of the country.

Dementia units are often governed by social services. You will never see Med Techs,(medication technicians, (Med aides), in SNF's but they are there in assistant living and dementia units.

I was a Med Tech before I was a CNA, before an LVN. Med Techs cannot perform invasive procedures, as insulins or suppositories. So I would definitely question why they were doing that. It is a reason to have your boss fired, not you. Maybe they said that you should have known that and blamed you for it.

CNA's don't work in assisted living (RCFE), caregivers do, and if they pass meds, (CNA's) or give insulin, they will lose their certificate, (not a license), immediately, if discovered.

Yes, the med techs, give medication and a lot more than LVN's or RN's, and become very good at it. I used to medicate up to 110 residents in one shift by myself. You have to pre pour or you will never get finished. The mentality is completely different. But still, you should have not been fired from those positions. Sounds to me like you were someone to point the finger at.

Here in Florida it is a little different. lol CNA,s do work at ALF,s I do. They can give out med,s after a 1 or 2 hour crash course. We also are licensed you can look up anyone license on the Florida board,s website and CNA,s are there

Here in Florida it is a little different. lol CNA,s do work at ALF,s I do. They can give out med,s after a 1 or 2 hour crash course. We also are licensed you can look up anyone license on the Florida board,s website and CNA,s are there

I am also a CNA working in assisted living. We have 2 CNA's and two MA's. I am also a Medication Aide so I can pass meds.

Someone above mentioned something about a lower education level. The administrator of our ALF has no kind of higher education. She isn't even a CNA but she acts like she is a doctor. I find that someone who thinks they know things but has very little real knowledge is very dangerous.

I am a diabetic and I have been to many diabetes education classes. This woman believes she knows everything there is to know about DM but in talking to her, one realizes that she really doesn't know anything. One example: she doesn't give the diabetic residents butter. Yes, butter is bad as it is fattening and high in cholesterol BUT she believes that the butter itself will run their BG up. So, the residents can have cake with icing every day but no butter, by George.

WOW, what alot of posts & I thank everyone! It is great to know you all are on "my side". I knew my license could be at risk but I plugged along, naively thinking I could "change" this environment. I cared for the residents & I did the best I could for them. I know that the administrator was my boss as far as administrative issues but as an LPN she was overstepping her bounds by going behind my back & changing my decisions I made in regards to nursing issues, that is what I meant by this; I hold LPN's in high regard, I know some LPN's I'd rather take care of me than some RN's I've worked with the past! I never realized Assisted Livings are such a touch subject, I'm going to take a much closer look at any new job that may come my way! Thanks again!

Jerenemarie

Specializes in LTC.

I work in ALF and I'm sorry this has happened to you. I'm also fed up with them hiring lay people of the street that don't really give good patient care.

Specializes in LTC.

1. I think the issue with the supervisor has less to do with her being an LPN than being a bad supervisor. Let's not turn this into an LPN vs RN discussion.

2. I think the OP is very fortunate to be out of this situation - very scary.

3. They were giving pain meds to reduce wandering? That's chemical restraint and in a better-regulated facility that is a big no-no. Folks in a memory unit deserve better care than that; completely inappropriate.

Again, I did not mean to make this into an LPN vs RN situation; as I've said before I know many great LPN's who I trusted completely on the job. LPN's do get a bad rap, I've heard RN's even say they have no respect for them. The administrator at this facility happened to be an LPN, that is why I had mentioned it. I did not mean to offend anyone!!

Thanks,

jerenemarie

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