finally had a patient i could almost not tolerate.

SmilingBluEyes · Apr 22, 2003

I DO NOT TOLERATE it montroyal. NEVER.

Scavenger'sWife, RN · Apr 22, 2003

Yeah, I give great credit to you L&D nurses...I could never do it.

And Furball...just a hint, when you ask things like that, just make sure you type a *little* bit more and specify why you said it. It would help stop ill feelings.

I am a redhead and I always knew the fact about bleeding, needing more meds, pain, etc. Thanks JillyT for the link...I printed it out for my hubby, Mom, MIL and sisters to read. I just had ortho surg to an ankle and was wondering if I was a big baby for the pain I am still feeling, a week after surgery. Hubby is VERY simpatico as he has been thro SIX ortho surgeries and will face at least one more in his future. I even called my surgeon's office yesterday to ask if this pain was normal! The RN was very, very nice and eplained I was not being a baby. lol

When I was 7 months pregnant w my 1st baby, I had to go to the hospital to have some testing done b/c of some problems. I was placed in a labor room and could hear everything going on in the area next to mine. Actually, I believe the whole HOSPITAL could hear that woman! She cursed so loudly it made me blush! I was terrified by this...I thought, "Is that gonna be ME in just a few weeks??? Does it really hurt that BAD??? " I think it was bad of the nurses to have placed me so close to that maniac, considering why I was there.

When I did have the baby, I ended up pre-eclamptic and had labor for 22 hours with NO PAIN MEDS AT ALL. Then had an emergency C-section. My mother could not believe I was laboring w/o pain meds. Her words? "I can't hear her screaming!" HAH! That's b/c I NEVER MADE A SOUND!!! The nurses coudn't believe my tolerance! Huh...I just didn't want them talking about me like they did that woman I had heard!!! lol

Furball · Apr 23, 2003

Please refer to post #8

mark_LD_RN · Apr 23, 2003

Montroyal-- i do not tolerate it either,but under the circumstances i do not believe it is apprpriate to press charges against here either. it is not like she was completyely with it. she lost control mentally , very similar to psychosis:).

montroyal · Apr 23, 2003

Originally posted by mark_LD_RN
Montroyal-- i do not tolerate it either,but under the circumstances i do not believe it is apprpriate to press charges against here either. it is not like she was completyely with it. she lost control mentally , very similar to psychosis:).

If "she lost control mentally, very similar to psychosis" as you state, she is unable to care for that child or any other and child welfare should be contacted and all the children removed. To excuse unacceptable and criminal behavior on the basis of psychiatric problems opens another can of worms which brings in to play concerns about the safety of all the children in her care. Removal of all her children until competency can be verified would be in the best interest of the children. If she is not accountable for her actions because she acts similar to someone with psychotic episodes, how can she care for any child? While your intentions are good, you appear to be willing to excuse criminal behavior because of mental health issues but are unwilling to follow thru with the obvious consequences which follow with this excuse. On the other hand, if the mental health issues you raise cannot be clinically verified, the patient is then responsible for her actions and criminal behavior and therefore should face the consequences.

Assault of any type (verbal or physical) is a criminal act which needs to be dealt with in the legal system. This way, both staff and patients can remain in a safe enviorment. When violent acts against staff are overlooked or forgiven without the person being held accountable, workplace safety goes out the window.

mark_LD_RN · Apr 23, 2003

Originally posted by montroyal
If "she lost control mentally, very similar to psychosis" as you state, she is unable to care for that child or any other and child welfare should be contacted and all the children removed. To excuse unacceptable and criminal behavior on the basis of psychiatric problems opens another can of worms which brings in to play concerns about the safety of all the children in her care. Removal of all her children until competency can be verified would be in the best interest of the children. If she is not accountable for her actions because she acts similar to someone with psychotic episodes, how can she care for any child? While your intentions are good, you appear to be willing to excuse criminal behavior because of mental health issues but are unwilling to follow thru with the obvious consequences which follow with this excuse. On the other hand, if the mental health issues you raise cannot be clinically verified, the patient is then responsible for her actions and criminal behavior and therefore should face the consequences.

Assault of any type (verbal or physical) is a criminal act which needs to be dealt with in the legal system. This way, both staff and patients can remain in a safe enviorment. When violent acts against staff are overlooked or forgiven without the person being held accountable, workplace safety goes out the window.

don,t know what area you work in,but obviously our opinions differ. I find L&D patients that have this problem have it resolve before leaving the hospital.

with your thinking maybe I should have pressed charges against he patient who had a reaction to demerol while in labor. this ocured a few yrs ago she was fine up until the demerol,then she freaked out started screaming kicking ended up biting me.from the look in her eyes i could tell she was not all there.

but by your standards i should press charges,maybe even have her child taken away. I think NOT!

I did not see her behavior as criminal, some of the people we run into in L&D have issues,some are affected by the birth process and some do it intentionally,if it was intentional I would surely press charges.

but if i were to do as you suggest press charges for every patient hat acts out verbally and or physical to any extent. 90 percent of my patients would be in jail!

and where did i say i never followed up with social services and psych consult. this thread was just about a behavior of a particular patient. I find your insinuation that i allowed this and or did not follow thru. well a nurse with a high falutin like yours i do no need and would not want to care for anyone in my family.god knows we all may be crazy and you would have us committed:)

OzNurse69 · Apr 23, 2003

I was just thinking along the same lines, Mark. Montroyal, have you been through labour yourself?? I am normally a very tolerant person, but when in the hormonal rush of transition with my second son, I shoved the midwife who was trying to deliver me, & told her to "F... off, I can do this by myself". My hubby nearly had a heart attack!!

My point is, most labouring women suffer from some form of temporary insanity, IMO!! And those who say they don't are lying....

So as far as you are concerned, I shouldn't be considered capable of looking after my son....who, by the way is now a 9 yo straight A's student who is a polite, well adjusted little boy.....I must have done something right, huh??

imenid37 · Apr 24, 2003

wow. the other night my patient was mildly annoying (somewhat, but she was not too awful), her mom and grandma were obnoxious, but the the physician on duty was an absolute JERK!!! my point is that there are those who are supposed act professionally who often fall w/ in the psychotic realm. for pt's there is that excuse of not feeling well. short of a pt. that beats me up, i will take a lot knowing that they have something there that is making them act up.

i'd love to win the lotto and tell this CREEP (dr.) off in the nurses' station. what a horse's hind-quarters he is, but then again i don't mean to insult horses.

SmilingBluEyes · Apr 24, 2003

Originally posted by mark_LD_RN
don,t know what area you work in,but obviously our opinions differ. I find L&D patients that have this problem have it resolve before leaving the hospital.

with your thinking maybe I should have pressed charges against he patient who had a reaction to demerol while in labor. this ocured a few yrs ago she was fine up until the demerol,then she freaked out started screaming kicking ended up biting me.from the look in her eyes i could tell she was not all there.

but by your standards i should press charges,maybe even have her child taken away. I think NOT!

I did not see her behavior as criminal, some of the people we run into in L&D have issues,some are affected by the birth process and some do it intentionally,if it was intentional I would surely press charges.

but if i were to do as you suggest press charges for every patient hat acts out verbally and or physical to any extent. 90 percent of my patients would be in jail!

and where did i say i never followed up with social services and psych consult. this thread was just about a behavior of a particular patient. I find your insinuation that i allowed this and or did not follow thru. well a nurse with a high falutin like yours i do no need and would not want to care for anyone in my family.god knows we all may be crazy and you would have us committed:)

excellent response, mark. apparently you are in control of the situation and that is what matters.