Fed up with nursing, advice please.

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Howdy all.

I joined this forum not long ago, and some of the topics here are very interesting. It is good to read the differing points of view, also to vent off some steam! I am a RN BTW, and have worked in hospitals my whole life in differing jobs (not all nursing jobs).

I am in WA and working through an agency. I gave up studying law (only started the first unit, first semester) to do a Post Grad Dip in Renal Nursing. That was a HUGE decision for me, as I was really excited about doing law.

I was working through another agency but that didn't work out, because they wanted me to drop everything I was doing to run out to work. I told them my study comes first, not their work (which they knew) and the manager was unbelievably rude and obnoxious. I work for another agency now who seem quite good (time will tell!). I took 2 weeks off after being let go from the first agency, as I was so stressed my BP went up to like 180 (I have mild hypertension, am on medication) and looks like I failed my first subject of the Grad Dip Nurs (though final maks haven't been posted). So I am now suffering depression from that. I spent every night working on this unit/subject, & gave my all to my assignments, did heaps of research, listed that in the references, quoted well, etc. I also worked hard at many boring jobs, whilst studying to get my Bachelor and gave up a lot of things - now, I'm wondering if it was worth it.

My main problem is I am totally fed up with nursing. I was studying evidence based practice, and it was so boring, I nearly dropped out, but persevered instead (I usually don't give up on things easily). I hate running out doing shifts, though afternoons is not too bad. I hate being on call. And the government has put a moritorium on permanent nursing jobs, where you need like 10 years experience to get a perm job here.

The agency put me in psych (did a psych special last week), and I am totally fed up with it, though the money is good. I find many of these psych patients don't take responsibility for anything in their life. They become extremely abusive and belligerent when asked to do just one little thing. I think they like being awkward because they like to be waited on hand & foot - they won't do anything for themselves. I am tired of pandering to these lazy, overweight patients. We are not allowed to say: you need to take responsibility for yourself and own up to what you do/are doing. No-one is allowed to say anything like that to a patient. I know many of them get Dx with a mental illness, but I don't think they are as sick as the Drs think they are. Call it lack of knowledge but I have worked in hospitals for a long, long time (not just as a RN). I want to help people but many of the patients (not just psych), say rehab as well, will not do anything to help themselves or change their lifestyle, even in a little tiny way. I find it frustrating we can't say anything to them, and they can treat us how they like. I think these patients are lazy and and need a good kick in the behind. I don't believe in pandering to people's every whim makes them get better; once people take responsibility for themselves, and admit they have problems, I believe it empowers them. I know there has to be a middle way, but it doesn't seem to work. These patients like staying in their drug induced, alcoholic comas and violent relationships, where they smoke endlessly and abuse their children. I am honestly and truly shocked by some of the violent things they don't get prosecuted for. Do you think that if someone is mentally ill (properly Dx I mean), and if they commit a violent, physical act towards say their own child, they should be prosecuted or not? Any comments are welcome.

I am sick of the whole nursing scene. I remember everyone telling me I would love it, what a worthwhile career it would be and how it would open all these doors. The opposite is true. I just wondered if anyone feels the same (I know some people do) and any suggestions of what else I can do? And please don't just tell me to 'change my attitude' - I need mature suggestions.

Someone said on here not long ago that you can only do bedside nursing with a degree. I would have to agree. It is not the magical wand that everyone made it out to be, and does not automatically lead onto another career unless you do like 2-3 more years of a diploma/certificate (even then you have to have experience in the area). In WA you can't work in any speciality area I have been told, unless you have that particular qualification, not even one shift as an agency nurse (too many legal implications).

I am usually a very strong person, but don't feel strong anymore at all. I am fed up with the whole nursing scene. All the chemistry and physics I struggled through, and learning nursing diagnoses, was all a crock as far as I am concerned. Nobody seems to know what you are on about, and they don't use it. And I have worked with many nurses who just plain don't care about any of their patients, and I am getting the same.

I hate becoming cynical - it is an awful feeling, and I don't like being like this. I was going to initially become an EN, but everyone persuaded me a RN job was much better; now I have to disagree.

Should I quit my Diploma or keep struggling to see if things get better? Only thing is if I don't like it, I will still have to pay for the unit/subject.

Sorry for the long rant - needed to get if off my chest!

Any comments are appreciated. :)

Specializes in Med/Surg, DSU, Ortho, Onc, Psych.

Thanks C

Am waiting on a reply to a home based community care job I sent in today, they were quite keen.

At least I have someone to talk to on here! The world would be a very lonely place without my internet buddies!

My gf is a nursing recruiter & she hasn't contacted me since giving me the bad new re my job. I wonder if she still sees me as a 'friend'. I see her as the enemy in a way - I know logically she is not, but I'll give her some space.

Thanks for replying to my post - doesn't make me feel so alone.

I suppose it is quite awkward for her, with her job and trying to sympathise with you as her friend, yes move on. Do you have a job in mental health so that you can do the grad dip?

Specializes in Med/Surg, DSU, Ortho, Onc, Psych.

Hey C

I got an interview tomorrow with a home based community care organisation. Part of it is giving mental health advice, but it is more to do with helping older people out with home based care. Don't know everything involved yet but it sounds less stressful - I SO hope I get it! The manager came from the same small town as me - how bizarre is that, and she was very chatty. The big boss was quite keen to interview tomorrow me so wish me luck.

Are you going into accounting or what? Have you applied to do anything?

Good Luck!! I've been following your story but not commenting.

Specializes in Med/Surg, DSU, Ortho, Onc, Psych.

Hi Fiona59 & others. Thanks so much for the good luck wishes.

Well I got the job - they just have to check references which shouldn't be a problem. My referees have always backed me up.

But I don't get orientated till next week, & don't even know what day that will be, hopefully early on. I really need to start work & because I'm not starting this week, I get no pay next week. I may have to take out a loan just to survive, but where I will go for that I have no idea. Might have to go to the Salvos tomorrow to try & get some food! Am behind with all my bills.

The pay will be a lot less, but it's dayshift hours & it is permanent, which is what I wanted. It sounds interesting. You do minimal stuff for mentally ill/disabled clients in their homes, might cook an occasional meal, take them shopping, take them to Dr's etc but we have to ensure they do things to stay independent, & do assessments as well. They also have a care plan we follow, so that is good. It won't be as much nursing but I think I'm glad of that.

It is very hard being a single woman with no kids because no-one is willing to give me a hand up, and I don't want a hand out. Anyone got any suggestions as to who I can contact?

I do feel very betrayed by the nursing profession though, & their false advertising. I feel I have been conned about the whole 'nursing is a brilliant career thing' and it has not worked out that way at all. The woman who interviewed me today gave up her registration & she was highly experienced, but she says you get too old for it. I was thinking on the weekend I am 43 & I don't want to be running round bedsides when I am 50. I just could not be bothered. I really have to decide what I want for the future. Of course a stable, long term job is the main goal & one where I can still use some of my skills. Who cares if I'm not doing IVs and antibiotics, big deal. There is more to life than being constantly stressed & depressed when going to work, & I when I check my BP it is always going up because of the stress & worry. And when I read some of my past posts, I sound like a bitter, nasty, awful person and that is exactly what I was becoming. So I don't think I will ever go back to nursing again.

Funny, I'm broke but I feel strangely liberated!!

Any comments welcome; I always like hearing from you guys! ;)

Hi Carol, Its good to here some excitment there in your post....you are hung up on the only nursing is doing IV's thing and it is not.....I hope I never have to hang an IV again.....there is so much out there away from the building with beds......

Give yourself a break for awhile...I know the type of work you are doing, .....

St vinnies is another place that will be able to tied you over for help with rent etc and also anglicare.....

I've been struggling for years as a single mum, robbing peter to pay paul, just for us and the kids to survive but hopefully, touch wood, slowly things are starting to turn around, even had telstra cancel services the last few months.. Its really demoralising, but you know your value and its only money....talk to the bill people you owe, there is always a payment plan they are more than willing to enter, and remember this is a common ocurrence these days...people of all socioeconomic situtuations are asking for help in some way...try and enjoy each day....Doh, I know thats a hard one....Good vibes...attract more good vibes and therefore good luck, well I have found when I am in a good mood, good things seem to happen anyway,

see ya later, enjoy tomorrow, C

Good luck and I really mean it. I'm 51 this year and I know my time at the bedside is limited. I work part time and honestly, I'm finding it harder to face picking up the odd extra shift to help out. I moved from a unit that had trainwrecks for patients that stayed forever. Ten years ago they would have been in ICU, now they are general. I went to a unit that is very specialized and now surgical stay should be more than 36 hours. Hah, the shortage of LTC beds means the 80 yo that came in for a day surgery suddenly can't go home because the family can't "cope" and refuses to take them home. So we are stuck with two demented old people who are incontinent and aggresive in their dementia. We're meant to care for them as well as do our day surgeries.

After that experience the average patient does nothing but praise us for dealing with it.

But back to you. I don't know anything about Australia (other than Stephen Duckett should go back there) to help you out. But ceridywn's advice sounds good.

Specializes in Med/Surg, DSU, Ortho, Onc, Psych.

Hi Fiona59

Yes nurses are responsible for way too much now. Each government keeps raving about the hundreds of new beds they will 'create' for mental health and aged clients, but how many times have we heard that in the past & nothing's happened? At my last job Iwas shocked at how many older/confused people are taking up a hospital bed awaiting placement. It is a really sad situation I think. They just lie in bed and deteriorate, then seem to die. I nursed one married couple awaiting placement & the beauracrats were going to send them to separate homes, but they refused. I thought: good on you! They stood their ground - imagine being married for like 50 years then being separated? What stupid administrator thought that up? Unreal. I was told there simply aren't enough homes/beds and many don't take married couples. And yes, dementias take up A LOT of time, caring for their every need and ensuring they don't hurt themselves. I have thought for many years that aggressive dementias should be nursed in a separate ward/institution. I've been punched in the side of the head by one, and I was lucky he wasn't very strong. One nurse I was told about got stabbed in the back by an aggressive dementia patient who was hoarding metal butter knives down his pants - she survived with spinal injuries. Me and one Dr caught a dementia patient hoarding knives one day; the kitchen staff had been giving metal knives to this patient simply because he asked for them! They didn't think it could be used as a weapon. The NM was told and she didn't seem to think it was a problem (!), but completed an incident report. Nursing IS becoming very dangerous; we have to deal with too much. If someone is aggressive, trained guards should be with them 24/7 at the bedside when we are there, but then we are told 'it's too expensive'.

No nursing is not the wonderful career it is made out to be. When you look in those nursing job websites/magazines, they show young, smiling models who probably wouldn't know a real nurse if they fell over one. And I do think it is very misleading for younger people. I mean I was older when I decided to finish my degree, and I did a lot of research into nursing, and I still think I was mislead to a certain extent. People absolutely glorified the job, but when you get older it does get harder, and from the sad stories I've read on here, management will use any excuse to turf you out - and they are usually pathetic excuses too. Age and wisdom just sadly aren't valued anymore which I think is a real shame. Youth and 'cutting corners' instead of doing a nursing procedure correctly, seems to be the name of the game.

Who is Stephen Duckett? I only have paid TV so maybe this is some news item that I have not heard about?

Listen, Carol....you are still stuck in the idea that nursing is a building with beds.....thats why us community nurses stay right away from these places...

I reckon that it is all **** because of men....they got into nursing management and things went down hill thereafter....:lol2:

Better not let my partner read this one.....buts its true....:uhoh3:

stephen duckett is the most hated australian in the province of alberta. some idiot in our government hired him for his "expertise in healthcare management".

here are some links regarding him:

http://wotnews.com.au/news/stephen_duckett/

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/alberta/2009/09/18/10971051-sun.html

http://www.calgaryherald.com/life/family/duckett+problems+with+australian+nurses/2016662/story.html

he just got a massive pay cheque and can't figure out why we can't stand him. oh, and let's not forget we pay for tickets for him and his family to visit australia.

he makes more in one year than i will in a decade.

Hi yes well congrats on your new job. It must be hard for you not having money but as you say you feel liberated now. I am just starting my nursing at uni and absolutely love it. I do work for an agency and it is working with oldies in their home, just you and them and no boss over your shoulder yet if you need some advice then the boss is only a phone call away. Not great pay but I do love it...walking around with a big smile on my face. I am 44 and have done the family thing and now the carreeer...all the different order to norm

But everyone have a great day today and also tomorrow

stephen duckett is the most hated australian in the province of alberta. some idiot in our government hired him for his "expertise in healthcare management".

here are some links regarding him:

http://wotnews.com.au/news/stephen_duckett/

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/alberta/2009/09/18/10971051-sun.html

http://www.calgaryherald.com/life/family/duckett+problems+with+australian+nurses/2016662/story.html

he just got a massive pay cheque and can't figure out why we can't stand him. oh, and let's not forget we pay for tickets for him and his family to visit australia.

he makes more in one year than i will in a decade.

i know about casemix...hospitals only get paid on set amount of days for each event, like appendix is 1 night, hyster 2 nights etc etc.....i'm from victoria where all this started....but his name has never been mentioned.......ended up in queensland did he.......he'll notice the cold in canada then.

this scenerio reminds me of a couple of americans have been put head honcho for telstra (communications) and there was one for a bank or something.......anyway telstra starts to go pearshape and this guy....forget his names get paid 3-4 million au already but he decides coz things are not getting anybettter and the shareholders are very annoyed that he will return home. the australian taxpayer (because telstra is still partly government owned) has to pay him out because his contract was forfilled, but he did not honour that, because telstra lost contracts etc. i think he got aout 6.5 million or something and he was only supposed to get his holliday pay and a seeya later.

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