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Howdy all.
I joined this forum not long ago, and some of the topics here are very interesting. It is good to read the differing points of view, also to vent off some steam! I am a RN BTW, and have worked in hospitals my whole life in differing jobs (not all nursing jobs).
I am in WA and working through an agency. I gave up studying law (only started the first unit, first semester) to do a Post Grad Dip in Renal Nursing. That was a HUGE decision for me, as I was really excited about doing law.
I was working through another agency but that didn't work out, because they wanted me to drop everything I was doing to run out to work. I told them my study comes first, not their work (which they knew) and the manager was unbelievably rude and obnoxious. I work for another agency now who seem quite good (time will tell!). I took 2 weeks off after being let go from the first agency, as I was so stressed my BP went up to like 180 (I have mild hypertension, am on medication) and looks like I failed my first subject of the Grad Dip Nurs (though final maks haven't been posted). So I am now suffering depression from that. I spent every night working on this unit/subject, & gave my all to my assignments, did heaps of research, listed that in the references, quoted well, etc. I also worked hard at many boring jobs, whilst studying to get my Bachelor and gave up a lot of things - now, I'm wondering if it was worth it.
My main problem is I am totally fed up with nursing. I was studying evidence based practice, and it was so boring, I nearly dropped out, but persevered instead (I usually don't give up on things easily). I hate running out doing shifts, though afternoons is not too bad. I hate being on call. And the government has put a moritorium on permanent nursing jobs, where you need like 10 years experience to get a perm job here.
The agency put me in psych (did a psych special last week), and I am totally fed up with it, though the money is good. I find many of these psych patients don't take responsibility for anything in their life. They become extremely abusive and belligerent when asked to do just one little thing. I think they like being awkward because they like to be waited on hand & foot - they won't do anything for themselves. I am tired of pandering to these lazy, overweight patients. We are not allowed to say: you need to take responsibility for yourself and own up to what you do/are doing. No-one is allowed to say anything like that to a patient. I know many of them get Dx with a mental illness, but I don't think they are as sick as the Drs think they are. Call it lack of knowledge but I have worked in hospitals for a long, long time (not just as a RN). I want to help people but many of the patients (not just psych), say rehab as well, will not do anything to help themselves or change their lifestyle, even in a little tiny way. I find it frustrating we can't say anything to them, and they can treat us how they like. I think these patients are lazy and and need a good kick in the behind. I don't believe in pandering to people's every whim makes them get better; once people take responsibility for themselves, and admit they have problems, I believe it empowers them. I know there has to be a middle way, but it doesn't seem to work. These patients like staying in their drug induced, alcoholic comas and violent relationships, where they smoke endlessly and abuse their children. I am honestly and truly shocked by some of the violent things they don't get prosecuted for. Do you think that if someone is mentally ill (properly Dx I mean), and if they commit a violent, physical act towards say their own child, they should be prosecuted or not? Any comments are welcome.
I am sick of the whole nursing scene. I remember everyone telling me I would love it, what a worthwhile career it would be and how it would open all these doors. The opposite is true. I just wondered if anyone feels the same (I know some people do) and any suggestions of what else I can do? And please don't just tell me to 'change my attitude' - I need mature suggestions.
Someone said on here not long ago that you can only do bedside nursing with a degree. I would have to agree. It is not the magical wand that everyone made it out to be, and does not automatically lead onto another career unless you do like 2-3 more years of a diploma/certificate (even then you have to have experience in the area). In WA you can't work in any speciality area I have been told, unless you have that particular qualification, not even one shift as an agency nurse (too many legal implications).
I am usually a very strong person, but don't feel strong anymore at all. I am fed up with the whole nursing scene. All the chemistry and physics I struggled through, and learning nursing diagnoses, was all a crock as far as I am concerned. Nobody seems to know what you are on about, and they don't use it. And I have worked with many nurses who just plain don't care about any of their patients, and I am getting the same.
I hate becoming cynical - it is an awful feeling, and I don't like being like this. I was going to initially become an EN, but everyone persuaded me a RN job was much better; now I have to disagree.
Should I quit my Diploma or keep struggling to see if things get better? Only thing is if I don't like it, I will still have to pay for the unit/subject.
Sorry for the long rant - needed to get if off my chest!
Any comments are appreciated. :)
Hi, Carol, yeah lots of hugs.........psych is good, was thinking of that myself, there are so many people everywhere with problems, that most of the time in the community I just sit and listen, while they work through it themselves....yeah that maybe the way to go....
How about do that certificate 1v in drug and alcohol at tafe......this gets u in to do this type of nursing that is on the increase everywhere. I thought it would not be considered sufficient....but all the melbourne hospitals are advertising for these nurses not with psych, but with cert 1v in drug and alcohol. Now we all now tafe is cheaper and usually far more interesting than uni ever will be....this cert can be done external as well.
I can sympathise with the money situation, I have to go to mum (at my age) so that they do not cut the power this thursday!!! Surely there is work over there somewhere......a big aged care place on bank...or bank with the bigger hospitals...I know when the gov. tried to close agencies down here, the guys on bank at the major hospitals still had plenty of work. Every fortnight, it is robbing one thing to pay another.....
And apart from everything else, if you don't like what you are doing makes it real difficult. I am on hols at the moment, so work is starting to look a little better,
Gees what going on over there that you can't get work?
Maybe you can try getting a remote short contract, I see Mt Isa need a level 5, which is general nurse with not too much experience. You know 'bend the rules'' its likely that many places state that you must have experience but, probably would be willing to take you on with 1-2 years experience, just put that critieria out there to see who applies.......and you will be surprised just how much you know already if you were an EN first.
Hope this post finds you feeling better though.....seeya C
Hi C & all giving good advice!
I don't have money to move again unfortunately. I am in Perth & moved here because I was told there was plenty of work.
I got a call from work today, & now I am being accused of doing something I never did on a shift a few weeks ago (& they are only complaining now!) They said I didn't have much experience with PICC lines & the IV pumps compatible with these to give IV ABs, and I also left a valve open (I don't even know what that means), & I never touched any valve. I told them that shift I hadn't used those pumps for ages & hadn't looked after a PICC line patient for ages as well. What would you have done as shift coordinator - changed my patients, but nooo, that would be too easy. A RN showed me how to set it up - wasn't hard - & I didn't have any probs after that, but the patient was a real PITA. Complained about everything & anything, & later said he didn't want me touching his line, so I gave up & told the SC she had to do it. So he had his IVs & she went & flushed the line. Of course the patient wanted everything done NOW, exactly on time & I did start his IVs early. And I was 20 minues late getting off my shift, of course wasn't paid for it.
I refuted everything, told them the SC KNEW the patient was a royal PITA, and stood up for the patient! I said today that I won't work there again if they won't support me. Now I am under review & find out what will happen tomorrow. Was told I could get shifts at my normal hospital, then that I would go on a paid training course, THEN told no, I would have to wait for this r/v. I GIVE UP up trying to get a straight answer from the oh-so wise management - if I DID wait, I would be a skeleton sitting in a chair (the perfect patient, ha ha).
So I have a feeling I won't be asked back tomorrow. After much deep thought, and feeling very depressed all afternoon, I have decided to hell with it. If the agency wants to keep the fat managers and the hospital sweet, they can have them. But I won't give up without a fight. I have decided to make a formal complaint to the nurses' board as I won't have my name blackened for anything. I have NEVER done any procedure I wasn't trained for, have always asked for help, and have never made a medication/IV error, & have always questioned Drs/dodgy med orders. But if management don't give the support offered I can't be bothered with any of them, & I will be putting this all in my letter to the NMBWA. I have seen HEAPS of experienced nurses do wrong things, and haven't complained mainly cos they were busy, had bad days, etc. And I'm not one to report someone unless I have the whole story and the facts at my disposal.
I have already contacted other employers & got some positive feedback at least.
I give up on nursing. I have spent ALL my money, am broke & it has been so, so very disappointing. It is a mug's game and the mugs will win everytime. I am not spending another CENT of my hard-earned money studying in this field, because it will get me absolutely nowhere.
I hate being accused of things I did not do, and when you tell management things, they don't listen - they never ever do. And they have already made up their minds to get rid of you before you can protest - I have seen this happen to so many good nurses, because they tried to stand up for theirs or their patient's rights. I may as well go and talk to a brick wall, I may even get an answer one day!
They advertise for professionals in nursing - but we simply don't get treated that way. I have been treated better working in a low-paid clerk's job than as a nurse. And they want us to put up with these whiny, pathetic patients, & act like professionals while planning to flame us on a spit.
I just saw an ad saying they are reforming the health system in WA - yes, we are getting more nurses and doctors! But is anyone going to help with their training? Uh, no, certainly not the government (no mention of help in the ad of course).
I am tired of worrying about work, worrying about the managers, worrying about whether I am doing good enough or not, and worrying about study. I do not care anymore. I'm tired of the stress of lazy, fat patients who won't do their rehab, who's relatives constantly complain re everything (& who want a private nurse but won't pay for one), and I don't need the physical health problems from the worry, like joint pain, gastro & chronic indigestion.
I will use my degree to promote myself in another job - maybe I will become one of those annoying admin managers we all hate so much!
I have read through many, many posts on this site & am very concerned re the amount of unhappy, depressed people on here all for the sake of their career (I know many people have to stay in a job due to financial commitments), but is it REALLY worth it? I want to be happy, not have to put up with BS everyday. It is simply destroying my soul.
Good luck to all who stay in nursing - I hope you become a good nurse and stand up for your rights. Cos I'm warning you now, it probably won't do you much good when all is said and done.
Hi, Carol......yep use this degree for something else......there is always career changing master degrees or even diplomas at tafe......I am glad you have had positive feed back from other employers.....being agency staff it is easy to blame....remember nurses eat their young....unfortunately we all brag about being a profession and being professional, but it still happens and yes its seems when we get into management more than with colleagues.
Thinking of you over there, keep us posted, C
Howdy all.
Well I was officially 'laid off" (though not in those words) from my job today. I have been accused of something unfairly by a PITA patient who no-one else wanted to nurse & it is easier to blame agency; and though I said the shift coordinator should have given me another patient that night, the hospital has decied to shift all blame to me, not the SC. I had no say in the matter, despite arguing my case - I was basically ignored. This one hospital says I lack experience; yes & I did tell them & the agency that. They apparently wanted someone with years & years of experience 'cos that is expected of agency nurses'. Well why did they put me into the areas I was in? (psych, med/surg). And I have worked at this one hospital for about 5 months - why complain now? They said it wasn't even a complaint, just a general observation. I think one fat clinical nurse I worked with complained as she was questioning me one day; she was a hateful cow. I have never hidden my work history from ANYONE - it's stupid to lie cos it catches up with you. It all smells sooo fishy.
So I really thought hard today. Decided to drop out of renal nursing & I did get into Post Grad Dip Nursing (mental health), which was the only good news I had today. I don't think I will find renal nursing as interesting as psych & there seem to be quite a few psych jobs at the mo (who knows about the future - I am not even speculating on that now).
So I have been offered training/work at other hospitals through this agency, but will have to travel further, pay more for parking etc. I also got a late email saying my old temp agency (not nursing, office support, etc) will contact me Monday as 'they are always looking for great temps' (their words). My question is: do I go back to admin work & forget about nursing? I am fed up with struggling in the nursing world - and despite what this hospital says, I AM a good & caring nurse; maybe that's why psych is more attractive cos you actually get time to talk to the patients! I feel like if I don't do nursing, my degree will be wasted. But the regular hours of office/admin work would let me get on with study which I will make a priority.
I'm tired of fighting these agencies & the oh so not caring NMs. I feel like I've been targeted and used & that studying nursing has just not been worth it. I was even thinking of not doing ANY study.
I can't think anymore - I am getting a fierce headache & feeling quite depressed. Sorry I am a bit confused, need any constructive advice!
Thanks for your time.
First of all take the strongest pain killer you have, I am all for chemicals to get rid of pain, no one should suffer.
Mental health can have more regular hours, yep I reckon thats the way to go.........
As for the job to keep you going....what pays better....just use the job as a way to get where you want to be.
I honestly do not know how those nursing in medical/ surgical keep going, all those iv pumps beeping plus the observations, and all the drains and catheters.....then the iv antis and meds.....then comes the pain relief..then the relos that want to know why you have not attended their loved one on a one to one basis...they hate the young resident, does not seem to know what they are doing........just thinking about working on those wards give me a headache.
No, you have made a good choice.
Take those pills and have a nice cup of tea and try to have a good sleep..... works wonders.
What great advice C.
I already took a Digesic and a panadol. Was gonna have the rest of my wine but then thought, bad idea!
Yes I will do psych I reckon - at least my degree will count for something once I finish the diploma & it is external too. Someone else on here said they pay a fortune for accommodation up in Darwin (where the renal course is being held next year). And I only get cheap accommodation for 3 months, then we're on our own. And I don't really think in all honesty I will handle the humidity - it was bad enough here in WA when I moved here in summer.
I am going to have to take whatever work I can get, as I am nearly broke. But my old temp agency said they will call me Monday so I will say yes to whatever they have. And I've applied to a heap of other places, like supermarkets. I'm not proud when I have to eat! I will have to live cheaply for a few weeks.
I feel a bit better now I've got through this hurdle & I can at least talk to people on here.
Is it freezing over your way? We have another cold week ahead - but since I am starting to get a few hot flushes, maybe that isn't so bad!
What area do you work in?
Hi Carol, just about to go to bed, theres a few hours difference I think....I'm in Victoria.
Yep, freezing have the central heating set on 25 c, forget the cost. I work in the community doing post hospital care. Autonamous work, drive around all day...and the pay is good. Most of my colleagues are great as well,
My clients have been a godsend to me, as they (chronic wounds or meds) we become well known to each other (within the proper limits of course).
Mostly older clients but in their own homes....I have learn't so much about myself and how to liase with families, GPs other community team members, what the community can offer, and what experience I actually have acquired over the years in hospitals, community work is great and there does seem to be much more respect for nurses than in the hospital.
Other things that one does not get to do or know working in a hospital: McDonalds is the place to go for a clean loo, a certain cafe is good to go for cheap food and there is a spunky guy works in so and so petrol station. Its all good. Though it can be a bit of a challenge when it is raining and freezing or the temp is like 46 c in summer, its like find a tree to park under and walk to the house.
Must go, I did have a panadol and a cup of tea only a while ago and they put me to sleep, sounds like you have things under control, seeya C
What great advice C.I already took a Digesic and a panadol. Was gonna have the rest of my wine but then thought, bad idea!
Yes I will do psych I reckon - at least my degree will count for something once I finish the diploma & it is external too. Someone else on here said they pay a fortune for accommodation up in Darwin (where the renal course is being held next year). And I only get cheap accommodation for 3 months, then we're on our own. And I don't really think in all honesty I will handle the humidity - it was bad enough here in WA when I moved here in summer.
I am going to have to take whatever work I can get, as I am nearly broke. But my old temp agency said they will call me Monday so I will say yes to whatever they have. And I've applied to a heap of other places, like supermarkets. I'm not proud when I have to eat! I will have to live cheaply for a few weeks.
I feel a bit better now I've got through this hurdle & I can at least talk to people on here.
Is it freezing over your way? We have another cold week ahead - but since I am starting to get a few hot flushes, maybe that isn't so bad!
What area do you work in?
Hi Carol,
I will be honest with you about the weather in Darwin. In comparison to the rest of Australia it is very humid and hot. The Build Up is the worst time (October/November) where it is high humidity (90%) and 33 degrees or higher temps, with no rain! It's a horrible time of year. Wet Season is humid as well but there are lots of storms (thunderstorms) which help cool it down. The electrical storms are some of the best in Australia. Then there is the Dry Season. Usually in the Dry Season it's low humidity (20% or lower) and cool at night. Max temperature during the day would be 31 degrees.
Hope things do work out for you though. Good luck with the psych diploma!
Well it has finally happened. I no longer have a nursing job. The nursing profession has thrown me out like a used toilet brush.
Got told by a gf today who is a nursing recruiter they only want 'more experienced people' than me (the manager's words) - younger people who they can manipulate and control. They want people who will take their ****, do the crappy things and put up with the crappy patients who get us running after them like a wind up doll, and boy don't they enjoy doing it!
I believe there is no caring in nursing anymore. I think it is all speed & greed and who can climb the nursing corporate ladder the quickest, I really do.
I have worked in hospitals in varying jobs for 24 years -going on 25 years. I have worked long hours for the patients; I believe I have given my all for the health care sector. Well no more. I am not playing their stupid, political games anymore. And I don't recommend anyone moving to WA for a nursing job; they definitely don't like outsiders.
I wish I had seen this thread b4 I went to go back to do my nursing degree. I might have saved myself A LOT of heartache.
I will do my mental health study; it's all I can use my nursing degree for now. I probably won't even get a job in that either; I need to look into that aspect of it.
The nursing manager very rudely suggested today 'oh aged care MIGHT take you!' like that was the bottom of the barrel. How ******* rude is that?
I am actually quite relieved in lots of ways. No more worry re getting shifts; no tolerating rude, obnoxious, petty, small minded patients; no more slack nurses who don't do things correctly - & get away with it cos they have been in the same job for yonks; no more arrogant doctors - yah!
I will be looking for work again in the admin area & moving. And I certainly won't be coming back here.
Thanks for everyone's support & advice. I'll probably still read this thread but won't contribute anymore.
And to all those out there studying nursing: GET OUT. I don't want this to happen to anyone else. Go follow your dreams; work in a crappy job to get to your dreams if you have to. I wish I'd followed mine a long time ago.
Take care everyone.
Hi Carol, Yes a change may be great for you,......I actually took on something else once and did not complete because I found out it was not quite me.....but I am thinking about going back just to complete the degree.
Your description of the work place does describe my last acute area I worked in.....thats why I will not do acute anywhere because of the unsupportive and rude environment from nurses with hardly any experience factor.
But on saying that for every 3-4 of them, there were 1-2 really great nurses to work with.....you just hoped that every shift one of your 'friends'was on.
This again is hospital stuff, there is so much more to nursing that being stuck in a building with beds.......the young nurses think hospital nursing is the be all and end all....but with the move towards preventative nursing, public education is the biggest thing now, they just do not know that.........and thats the way us older nurses and I must say, the government wants health institutions to move to....lots of the moula is going out to community health centres to do just that.
I am now thinking of accounting, everyhting is done on computer,....own little work space....people come to you in fear....yes, that the go.....come back Carol and lets us know how you are going, might give me inspiration....
sassy_squirrel
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Hi there
I can't go up to the NT now, because I failed my unit. I am waiting for the course coordinator to contact me, but thank you so much for the information. I had been told housing in Darwin was bad, I didn't think it was THAT bad. Any information b4 hand re a job is always great. I am feeling so down because I failed my unit, & I worked quite hard (or so i thought) to pass. I failed every component by the looks of it; I have failed one unit b4 but we were able to re-sit the exam. However there is no exam for this unit, just 2 assignments and discussion board comments. But it was so totally boring, I kid you not. Even statistics in pyschology wasn't as bad! I reckon mental health will be good - I like working in psych, though not everyday is great (as with any job). Either that or if I don't get in, I will go back to law like I originally was going to study.
I really do appreciate the hugs - thank you, thank you. It is hard for me living here as I don't know anyone as yet, have no family here & they are estranged from me anyway. So allnurses is a virtual lifeline for me.
Thank you so much for caring.
Aw that's no good. But if you really found it that boring maybe that wasn't the way for you to go.
Don't get me wrong I love Darwin (probably coz I'm born in Darwin LOL) and it is a nice place. I'm not a nurse yet so I can't really comment on the job situation. But being on the other side I do know we are needing lots of medical people up here - nurses, doctors, specialists etc. But yes the housing situation is very bad - they are building new suburbs up here though so hopefully that will help.
More *hugs*, never run out of hugs. Where abouts in WA are you? I'm heading to Tasmania next year. While my husband will know lots of people I won't really so I can sympathise with you. I also moved to Townsville for a few years on my own while I did my other uni degree.
Always willing to lend a listening ear even if I can't help with the situation. :) :hug: