Family just doesn't get it!!!!!!!

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Hi all, venting again.

We took my GF to the hospital last Sunday, he had a fever and chills, and was disoriented. God knows how long he had been feeling bad, but this was as soon as he told us. My mother went bats, demanded that I get right over there, even though I told her she needed to call EMS if it was that bad. I got there, and the house was 84 degrees! (Chills, much?)

I listened to him, VS were otherwise stable (my family thinks VS are gold), lungs were clear, just a high fever that he had had "a couple days" and that he had taken "some ASA for". No degrees, no milligrams, just some.

We got to the ER, labs were great, except for WBC of 11.3. Fever came down with one dose of Tylenol (imagine that). Delirium resolved. Doc and I talked and concurred that it was likely a virus (I'm in grad school, make rounds in this ER), and decided that I would care for him at home, no abx necessary, which I also agreed with. I don't believe in throwing abx at everything.

Fast forward, he does OK for a couple days, but, as you know, things change. That is why they tell you to FOLLOW UP with your doc. The ER made a follow-up call to check on him and offer abx if he was not better. He's running a fever again. The thing is, GF won't do anything for himself, my Mama has to do it for him. So her take on this is that the ER did not do their job. Apparently, the whole of the medical profession is an idiot, including me by extension.

Her words, "If he needs abx now, he needed them then." Well, maybe not so much. They wanted to know why they had to go in for a recheck, could they not just look at what they had and call something in. :banghead:

And the cream......my cousin is also a nurse...she told her mother, my aunt, that "Based on his age (81) and his pacemaker, and the fact that they do not know what he has been around, they should have given abx. His WBC were on the low side of normal, he needed it for a 'boost'"

Since when is a WBC count of 11.3 low? What 'boost' could she mean? And of course, the rest of the family took it for gospel. Never mind the fact that she was clinically wrong about a very basic nursing fact. I pointed that out, proved it to myself when I got home with my Pathophysiology text (please correct me if we're both wrong, book says 5-10,000mm3 is norm), and still they side with her. Fine. So be it. These people could not be bothered to take GF to the doctor this week, would not hear of it ("He's better) yet they want to rip me apart for not 'doing anything'. The man does not have sense enough to check his own temp, family that stays with him does not, lets him sit there, glassy-eyed and burning up, and does nothing. And it's my fault and the ER docs fault because we did not give abx for a condition that did not require it AT THE TIME OF TX! I don't have prescriptive authority yet anyway. After this, I'm not sure I want it.

The fact that I explained that ER care is for EMERGENT tx only and that they should have gotten him to the doc Monday or Tuesday has no effect. It's the ER's and my fault, we didn't give him abx. Did I mention that no one asked for them while we were AT THE ER?

What can I do? I have already told them that since they don't see fit to accept the fact that I might know about labs a tiny bit more than a lay person, and that they seem to think I don't know what I am doing, that I would rather they did not come to me for advice. Since they think my cousin is so wonderful, they can call her. If she thinks an 11.3 WBC is low, I hate to think what she considers high (minor mistake, maybe, but it was pointed out in a setting and in a way as to make me look a fool). I am so mad i can not think right now and any advice, atta girl, or commisseration would be appreciated. Thank you for reading my novel.:lol2:

Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.

I find that since I became a nurse, I am more careful of the people I visit and hang out with because of their expectations of me jumping in when a crisis occurs. I had one friend (thank goodness we are no longer friends) that always looked for an opportunity to sue people and if we were still friends, I can see this happening.

Also, I have a friend who is a clinical manager in a hospital clinic. She has a son that is always in and out of jail. She emailed me a few months ago and asked me if I can give her son a PPD. Her latest plan was to get him into a drug program to possibly reduce his latest sentence. I told her 'no' because if I did this, and it came out positive, then, she would expect me to follow through with this, and with no doctor's order, how can I then go to one of my providers and expect them to order a CXR, LFTs and possibly initiate treatment? And, how would this be documented...with MY name, no less?? And, I also said to her that since she is a clinical manager, then, she should certainly be able to refer him to someone in HER clinic. I figured that she didn't want her employers to know that she had a jailbird son.

Specializes in Geriatrics, med/surg, LTC surveyor.

My mom calls me for advice all the time. She does listen. My husband on the other hand, his father just had a stroke. His mom and dad live alone. I tried to give my husband advice regarding home care (like have someone there to watch over him because his mom is in a w/c herself and he is just well enough to try to do something stupid like go down the stairs). My husband told me to let them handle it so I said ok and shut up.

I feel for you....but I don't know what to say. Good luck!

Specializes in NA, Stepdown, L&D, Trauma ICU, ER.

What can I do? I have already told them that since they don't see fit to accept the fact that I might know about labs a tiny bit more than a lay person, and that they seem to think I don't know what I am doing, that I would rather they did not come to me for advice.

And that, unfortunately, is all we can do with family like this. My mom is the same way. She'll come to me with something that's going on with her, or my grandma and I'll give her suggestions, heck, a few times I've even given her names of docs I know are good at whatever she needs... but does she listen? Heavens no! That would be silly. It's much better to take the advice of the neighbor who said her daughters s-i-l had a sorta, but not really, similar problem and went to Dr X (who I've worked with and have yet to hear anything good about) and he just worked an absolute miracle! Geesh! Why are you asking if you're gonna do pretty much the exact opposite of what I suggest?

I've gotten to the point that I just tell her to call her doc, or talk to the DON at Grandmas LTC. I'm done stressing myself out about her stuff if she won't let me help.

Specializes in FNP, Peds, Epilepsy, Mgt., Occ. Ed.

Aren't families fun????

I have my own family- actually, primarily in-law- issues right now, but since they aren't medical, I won't bore y'all.

Angelfire: It's time to put your foot down with your mother. Tell her you're done. You are still daughter and granddaughter but you are not the family medical advisor. If your advice is not going to be taken, you are not going to give it. Period. If anyone asks your opinion, you will not give it.

Then stick to it. No, I will not go to the doctor's appointment. Ask Cuz to go, you want her opinion. Ask the doctor or the office nurse to explain, not me. Do not ask me to go to the ER with you unless Grandpa is dying. I'm not going to give medical translation nor to run interference. I am working, I am in school, I don't have time.

If someone asks your opinion of something, smile, shake your head, and say "I'm sorry,I'm not grandpa's doctor." Repeat as many times as necessary.

If it's someone other than your mother or grandfather and something not serious, you could always have a little fun with it. Make up ghastly-sounding nonexistent syndromes, or bizarre "treatments". Of course, you have to be good at having a poker face for that.

Specializes in Making the Pt laugh..

I have some family members that I try to help and others that I just tell to see a Dr. The ones that I try to help tend to be the ones that listen and take the advice. However, i must state categorically that if a family member or friend is going through a divorce or custody type stuff I run to the hills and dont even tell them to see a Dr. My Wifes sister had always been a listener and then she wqas going through a divorce and between her and her ex it became a game of blame and trying to paint each other with a very black brush.

Their daughter picked up scabies from the child-care centre, they didn't complete any treatment regime as the poor girl went from house to house. Somehow when she was extremely sick it became my fault.....never again will I get involved in any way shape or form.

I had to stop running to the rescue all the time. It is funny how the family wants you to come fix everything but when what you know to be correct is not what they want to hear - you're a stupid kid that doesn't know anything, never mind that you have been an adult for decades and have a degree, and they don't know why they bothered telling you. I still occasionally get calls with specific questions but it is usually about how the healthcare system works, who to talk to, etc. and not much about what it correct treatment.

I no longer ask questions. The family can say something to me and I know that they are trying to lead me into the fray but I now just nod or even ignore the comment that is made and refrain from asking any questions about anyone's health, doctor appt, ailments or anything else that they use to try to bait me. I do not call to check on family members. I do not offer to take people to the doctor or to pick up prescriptions. It sounds really ugly but it actually has improved how I feel about the family and they now know that they need to see their doctor or suck it up and take whatever happens when they decide to go on the internet to diagnose themselves. It is really hard to do at first but after you see the results of refusing to be drawn into your family's latest General Hospital episode, it makes your life wonderful.

Specializes in Ortho, Case Management, blabla.

It's not like he died or anything.

Also, I stopped giving nursing advice to anyone in my family. I will educate if they request it, but otherwise I won't touch anything else with a ten foot pole. Not even my mom. I didn't even offer much advice to my dad when he was in CHF (died in November). Just the standard, "you need to let your doctor know ASAP"...I know it sounds terrible...

Specializes in med-surg, psych, ER, school nurse-CRNP.

OK, little update here, and thank you to all who responded.

GF was admitted yesterday, that's why I have not been around. Cousin still insists that he needed abx from the get-go, and that the doc is a dumb***. I guess that makes me one too, since I agreed with the doc. Her rationale? "You can't just look at labs, you have to look at the whol patient. You have to consider quality of life."

This man is perfectly healthy!

Or he was till he got this virus. HIS doc has not been able to pinpoint what it is yet, either, and even HE refused abx till labs came back. I feel a bit justified now. GF is on abx now, since he has new s/s, we think he has a UTI. That was my initial thought back last week, but the UA was WNL.

My take-home point is, everyone wants to bash me and the poor ER doc for no abx. You know what? On that little paper that they gave him when he left the ER, it said to follow up in 2-3 days with the doc, NOT wait a week. If they were so dead set on that, they should have said something at the ER or carried him to the doc Monday or Tuesday.

I'm still mad about this, can you tell? Thanks again, all. I do appreciate it. At least he is getting treated.

Specializes in Paediatric Cardic critical care.

Unfortunatly people in general will hear what they want to hear and thats a fact of life! Which can be very frustrating when it's your family, when they KNOW how hard you've studied to get to that point in your career... not really much else you can do but sit back and wait for her to get caught out by someone else about her medical knowledge.

And no, his WBC's normal being about 4-11 are fine, not low at all. And no I've never heard of a 'boost' from abx... very strange. why would she want to raise them anyway?

I feel sorry for you being trapped in this position, and feel bad for her patients!

Luckily in my family the only nurses are my mother and I and we're both open to learning new things and sing from the same hymn book :specs:

Specializes in TraumaER ,NICUx2days, HEMEONC CathLab IV.

Mommie dearest, I'm just a nurse, but cousin is a specialist, she has extensive medical knowledge and she is your sister. call her .....

Damned if you do... Damned if you don't and be expected to be written out of the will.

Specializes in med-surg, psych, ER, school nurse-CRNP.

Update...

GF has endocarditis, an abcess around his valve, and vegetation on his pacer. Open heart scheduled for tomorrow. Thanks again to all who responded, and please keep us in your thoughts.

Specializes in LTC.

I will keep your GF and family in my prayers, Angelfire.

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