Failed nursing first time, no CUNY would take me back. What to do next?

woodyswifey4evaa · Oct 2, 2010

yea me too im still trying...what lpn schools are you applying to?? i plan on doing the same thing...i have to be somewhere by sept 2011...i haaaaaave too!

studentrn4me · Nov 17, 2010

why don't you try the lpn programs that the nyc dept of education gives..example..mid - manhattan in manhattan or brooklyn.

cookie91 · Nov 18, 2010

Hi. Sorry to hear what happened well considering the fact that all cuny schools run there program on a Limited amount of seat , I would say you are going to have to apply to a private insitution. Like aldephi university also if you were in a bsn program it would be harder to get in another bsn program you may try to apply to an associate degree program like hosts community college. If you really want it you will sit down and do research on all nyc nursing schools and give the admission and nursing programs a call about your situation. As for cuny I am currently in a cuny and it is really hard enough for me to get in there program and it will be kind of unfair for someone who failed once get a chance again when I am hoping to get the chance to prove them I won't fail, do the research and call. Don't give up on your dream to be a nurse you obviously had what it takes to get in the program which is the hardest part.

DoGoodThenGo · Nov 19, 2010

Hi. Sorry to hear what happened well considering the fact that all cuny schools run there program on a Limited amount of seat , I would say you are going to have to apply to a private insitution. Like aldephi university also if you were in a bsn program it would be harder to get in another bsn program you may try to apply to an associate degree program like hosts community college. If you really want it you will sit down and do research on all nyc nursing schools and give the admission and nursing programs a call about your situation. As for cuny I am currently in a cuny and it is really hard enough for me to get in there program and it will be kind of unfair for someone who failed once get a chance again when I am hoping to get the chance to prove them I won't fail, do the research and call. Don't give up on your dream to be a nurse you obviously had what it takes to get in the program which is the hardest part.

Am going to have to weigh in here and disagree with that last statement.

CUNY nursing programs, especially the associate degree schools have had pretty much the same basic entry requirements (basic pre-nursing sequence completed with a 2.5 GPA) for over 20 years now. What has changed is the new across the board for all CUNY programs requirement for the NLN exam (some colleges experimented with other exams such as the College of Staten Island's SAT scores), and you have certain legal (criminal background check, and proof of American citizenship/ability to work within the USA), but on the whole not allot has changed.

Back in the 1980's through the early part of the 1990's when nursing was seen as a "declining" profession and schools were closing left and right across the country, many pre-nursing students got in all CUNY programs with GPAs

It has only been within the past several years that nursing has become a "hot" career choice and students are flocking to nursing programs that you see this backlog and programs being able to 'pick and choose".

CUNY nursing programs, like most public colleges are in sort of a bind. In NYC, by laws/rules under the "open admission" policy anyone with a NYC high school diploma *must* be admitted to the City University system. Your high school grades/standing determines if one can apply for the four year or must go to one of the community colleges.

Unlike priviate nursing programs, CUNY's, especially the two year degrees cannot "block" weak applicants, and as I've written above must take those who "make the grade" It just so happens that so many highly qualified persons are applying that programs can base admissions based on GPAs and NLN scores, taking the top scorers as it were.

As for pre-nursing/being admitted to a CUNY nursing program being the "hardest part", not even close. Evidence of this can be seen on the NYS website listing board passing rates. It also (IIRC) lists the number of students who started a class versus those who finish. In almost every case about 10% more or less of students do not make it to graduation. Some drop out, others are pushed out, either way it shows just getting through A&PI, Micro (or Bact),English, Psyc, Soc and perhaps a few other courses even with a GPA >3.5 does not always cut it.

The main goal of any nursing program is to produce competent graduate nurses who can pass the boards on their first attempt. This is what the NLN and other accrediting bodies use (amoung other factors), to evaluate a nursing school. There is ample research linking academic sucess (grades) with a student nurse's ability to pass the boards. So when a person flunks out of one program, it is not a surprise other schools won't consider her either.

When making admission decisions, schools rely mainly on past course work, and test scores to come to some sort of "guess" if one is suited to the program. In the case of a student who failed out of a nursing school, they already have their answer. Since most programs allow students to fail/repeat one or two courses, it normally isn't just the one off "F" that got them bunked. What it comes down to, on paper at least is that person is not capable of dealing with nursing school.

PacoUSA, BSN, RN · Nov 20, 2010

You should try applying without using your transcript from CUNY, but if it's another school within CUNY they would likely find out that you were in another nursing program. If any school sees that you failed out of Nursing they won't accept you. At this point I can only recommened starting from scratch since it was only your first semester. If you already have all of your pre-reqs done than you're in luck that is if all your pre-reqs were NOT done at the College of Staten Island.

Bad advice. A non-CUNY school is still capable of finding out that you failed in a prior nursing program. Not disclosing your prior attendance at CSI to another school is plain dishonesty, and if you even consider doing this I shudder to think what you would even do on a nursing floor. :nono: ... and if you get caught, you only have yourself to blame.

FocusRN · Dec 5, 2010

Have you tried Excelsior College.

MsQueensRN, LPN, LVN · Dec 5, 2010

Sorry to hear your dilemma. I have a friend who flunked in 3rd semester and it really is horrible but once you've flunked out most schools won't look at you. From speaking with different administrators it seems that your only choice to go back into an rn program is to attend a private institution. I know of 2 people who went to Molloy after flunking out of CUNY. Yes it is very expensive, and they had to retake our first two semesters. However I guess from repeating the courses, they did much better academically and have found that they prefer the method of teaching that they receive at the private school compared to CUNY. They found it a little less competitive amongst the students and they said that the professors made themselves more available to helping and actually discussing issues with students.

mzthang2260 · Dec 12, 2010

At some cuny schools like bmcc and lagcc they let you choose which courses you want to transfer in so you can opt not to transfer in the nursing courses and it will not be on your transcript. This is only allowed on your first semester at the school only, so once you choose what to keep it will stay on your trascript at that new school. I transfered to lagcc with a grade of c in a&p I that i took when i was at college of staten island. I choose to drop the A&p and i retook it here at lagcc and got a A-

cookie91 · Dec 14, 2010

Look up laguardia community college I read that they take the classes you passed in nursing school if you apply as a trAnsfer and they won't put the ones you fail in your transcript ..call there nursing depart ment ... also if you may can I ask which nursing class you fail? Or how did you get dropped?

BeenThereDoneThat74, MSN, RN · Dec 19, 2010

Bad advice. A non-CUNY school is still capable of finding out that you failed in a prior nursing program. Not disclosing your prior attendance at CSI to another school is plain dishonesty, and if you even consider doing this I shudder to think what you would even do on a nursing floor. ... and if you get caught, you only have yourself to blame.

Not to mention, it is a SMALL world in nursing education. Faculty work at many different instistutions (adjuncting here and there), and change jobs as well. Don't think they won't remember you.

zel_11 · May 26, 2011

Hi i also failed getting in the program in CSI. did you apply to any colleges? are you still doing nursing? Pls i need help idk what to do.

DoGoodThenGo · May 26, 2011

Hi i also failed getting in the program in CSI. did you apply to any colleges? are you still doing nursing? Pls i need help idk what to do.

Sorry, but do not understand your post.

If you merely applied and did not make it into the upcoming class you can stay at CSI, continue taking classes and reapply for the next class. However if you were removed for academic and or other reasons the above responses apply.

IIRC most every CUNY nursing program requires a period residence before transfer students are allowed to apply for entry. This can be anywhere from one semester to one year, and makes sense. To do otherwise would put students whom have started at a particular college at a disadvantage as transfer students "shop around" for spots.