Just Looking Abit Of Advice From Other Posts And Other Sources Of Information I Am Aware California Tends To Be A High Costof Living, But How Do You Really Manage?? Is It Manageable With Your Wage Or Do You All Struggle??
Could You Maybe Give Me Rough Est Of Hourly Rate. Considering Taking Up Direct Placement With A Hospital There No Specific Location Yet They Are Coming To Interview In Oct And Id Liked To Be Prepared With Some Informationthat Im Hoping You Could Possibley Give Me.
Hope To Hear From You Soon
P.S ANYONE AWARE OF A GROUP OF HOSPITALS THAT CONSIST OF ABOUT 20 TOGETHER IN THE WEST COAST AREA??
Community Colleges are now starting to offer bachelors degrees in certain areas..why not convert ADN programs to BSN programs? I think saying it is impractical is just giving up and shows no foresight. Something has to change to give us the respect and
compensation we deserve.
Great ... yet another thread hijacked with the useless ADN vs. BSN debate. What a waste of a perfectly good thread.
I have read through all the threads and no one has mentioned about that in California if you work overtime you get time & a half after 8 or 12 hours (whichever shift you are on) and some hospitals it is after 8 hours that you get time & a half even though you are a 12 hour person. Also, after working 12 hours you get double time. And, at my hospital if you work over your committment then you get time & a half also. I.E. Your committment is 36 hours a week and you come in to pick up 4, 8, or 12 shift extra that week you would also get time & a half. Also, not a bad incentive to come in and work extra. The shift diffs are very good as well.
A little history about myself. Both my husband and I are NICU nurses and I have 16 1/2 years experience and my husband has 13 years experience. We both came out to San Jose, CA area 5 years ago and worked as traveling nurses on and off. We are both working in Palo Alto as staff now and we both make $52 an hour dayshift and we are Staff 4 nurses . It helps when you climb the ladder. I know a lot of people who won't go to days because of the shift diff where I work and also the free parking on nights. If you work days you do have to pay for parking and that can be expensive unless you find someone to carpool with. (I have my very own built in carpool with my husband working with me.) It is very expensive to live here but worth every penny. Especially if you love to get out doors and do things. The weather is perfect here. You aren't far from the mountains or the coast. Rent and buying homes are high but doable. Anyway this is a long reply and I hope it helps. And, if anyone wants to know where I work let me know. There is a referral bonus as well and I would be happy to split it.
As far as figuring out what someone could possibly make as an RN, when you say $57.17/hr (Miss_Mab for example), is that just straight hourly wage with a night shift differential? In other words, there's no overtime pay for hours worked over 8 hours a day? When the nurse recruiters say $40/hr, is that without overtime figured in?
(Tanya- I think we were typing at the same time...thanks for answering my question. )
No, Miss Mab, I absolutely was not doubting you... just wanted to spread the good news--didn't mean to implicate you in another thread if you were busy..Sorry if it came across as if I doubted you...I recently at long last became a premium member of the this forum because it is so invaluable in how it organizes us and allows us to compare notes like this...the hospitals certainly don't want us knowing that someone is making more elsewhere, so this website (and unions) serve that purpose...Again, I was not at all doubting--just wanted to let the poster see additional info as s/he had some pretty detailed info from the ESA website...
I'll assume NYforlove wasn't doubting my "record'.--
$52.17/hr x36=1878.12---x52=97662. I work nights and benefits are okay as far as I know. Medical benes are free. They have a 401k and a defined benefit pension.
I just wanted to respond because others' have mentioned that folks "tend to inflate" their earnings. While I think that's probably true, here, in this forum, I like to be totally up front because i am trying to show the disparity out there in nurse pay despite this shortage country wide. (I don't go around in real life discussing salary--in my family I'm the low-earner :) )Whether i have my salary because of a union, or cost of living or whatever---it is NOT RIGHT the compensation some are getting. Why do we put up with this?
And for the cost of living argument, yes, it is way more expensive to live here, but I went to school out of state and now make more than 50grand more than some of my classmates. I lived there for a year, it is NOT a fifty thousand dollar COL difference.
One way to get more pay for the job we do is to work with each other nationally to raise the minimum education required to BSN...generally speaking the less education needed for a job, the less pay. I know...I know...I know!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the number one HOT button and usually starts the same old argument because ADN nurses think this is some kind of a put down. So let's not go there, please...of course if you gimme any experienced nurse (LVN, ADN) over a new grad BSN, I'd hire him/her in a flash. But if education was raised to BSN level, they'd 'grandfather' in all the ADNs...meaning that they'd be considered EQUAL when the change was made, if they had their license before that. So it would hurt NOBODY and benefit us all. When will all nurses accept that as long as we ourselves work against ourselves by fighting to keep 2 year degrees, then the pay scale will reflect that. Its a simple concept- but raises so many angry voices whenever this issue is brought up! Add to that the PROVEN fact that any job that is full of women (and I am a woman too, so this is not a 'woman' putdown!) always pays lower because women are reluctant to fight for the right pay scale. (Think "teachers". And don't say men are teachers too...not in anywhere near the same numbers as women!!) We are getting paid the pay we deserve, because we are willing to accept it and I am so sick & tired of seeing posts "if you are going into nursing for the money, do us all a favor and skip it", as if a woman would be evil to select a career path for BOTH the intrinsic and financial rewards. Nobody ever said to a doctor back in 1950, when doctors were mostly men, "if you are going into medicine for the money, then skip it"- because most of them DID go into it for the money and everyone knew it. If it was out of just a genuine desire to nurture, they woulda' been nurses! Altruism is nice, but whoever said that a job well done is not worth being paid what its worth? (Can you tell that this annoys the heck out of me? Well it does! :angryfire ) Fellow nurses- do not be afraid or think you are less than caring if you stand up and DEMAND the wage we are worth!!!!!!
Try to remember that the 2 year degree's are realy 4 years if you count the preqs. I will have 130 units completed when I'm done with my ADN program. A BSN requires 120 units, I will have more education than most BSN's do, the only thing I wont have is the managment classes the BSN have.
but what other profession lets their licensed professionals only take "core" classes to gain licensure?
Any profession that can not fill its demand for nurses because the universities dont have enough money. If you got rid of the ADN programs each univesity in CA would have to take 500 nursing apps each semester. Where are they going to get the money for all that?
Try to remember that the 2 year degree's are realy 4 years if you count the preqs. I will have 130 units completed when I'm done with my ADN program. A BSN requires 120 units, I will have more education than most BSN's do, the only thing I wont have is the managment classes the BSN have.
Exactly why you should be recongnized as educated equal to someone who has a BS degree..then the profession would be "easier" for the public to deem it a more respected profession..and the $ would follow
I'm so tired of this argument ... it's ridiculous and totally impractical.
I agree, let the next person to claim we should get rid of the ADN programs come up with the BILLIONS of Dollars the State Unversities need to implement have 500 nursing students a semester.
Exactly why you should be recongnized as educated equal to someone who has a BS degree..then the profession would be "easier" for the public to deem it a more respected profession..and the $ would follow
Also remember that most in the ADN program already have a BA,BS in another area, so they have way more education that most BSNs do.
Any profession that can not fill its demand for nurses because the universities dont have enough money. If you got rid of the ADN programs each univesity in CA would have to take 500 nursing apps each semester. Where are they going to get the money for all that?
The CC's should be accredited to offer a BSN program. I am not saying "wipe out the ADN programs" I am saying give the programs the distinction they deserve. The CC in jacksonville Florida just began offering a bachelors in Fire Safety (?) because of the shortage of firefighters..they have offered an AS degree for 15 yrs in it--but that degree is not considered the "gold standard" for the field anymore.....
Maybe a pipedream, but if they can do it for firefighters, why not nurses? ADN nurses work their butt off to get their degree. IMHO more than what most associate prepared graduates do for an AA in business or something.
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Great ... yet another thread hijacked with the useless ADN vs. BSN debate. What a waste of a perfectly good thread.
Good riddance. I'm out.