Excelsior Nurses

smiling_ru · Dec 9, 2003

What I did find was this, and they only relate to initial licensure. So, you could sit for the NCLEX in another state and then obtain a license by endorsement. There is not a nursing program in the country that does not have a few bad graduates. Excelsior, being a distance program is an easy target. There is reason behind these concerns, but I am not sure what it is. My guess would be to follow the money. Maybe the boards are not receiving monies from that school as it is out of state? I don't know but I am sure there is more to it then meets the eye.

The Excelsior College Nursing Programs are designed in accordance with the requirements for Registered Nurse programs in New York State. Other states have different requirements, and you are responsible for determining the legal criteria for licensure in the state where you wish to practice.

If you live in the state of Florida, Louisiana, or Washington, you must already be an LPN before applying for licensure. If you are not an LPN, you will not be able to sit for the licensure examination in these states. Illinois is the only state which does not accept Excelsior College nursing students for licensure.

You must contact the specific state board of nursing in the state where you wish to practice to obtain the specific licensure requirements of that state.

Sheri257 · Dec 9, 2003

Originally posted by lgflamini

Actually, your "trend-setting BORN" is the only state with this problem. I personally know lots and lots of students in all the other states WHO GOT JOBS with no problem- with no controversy.

You know, you seem to have a little trouble listening yourself. Or, at least, remembering:

1) Georgia and Vermont do not accept graduates from Excelsior.

2) Florida requires graduates to have been Licensed Practical Nurses

3) Illinois will accept the Excelsior graduate only after being licensed as a registered nurse in another state for 2 years

4) Washington only accepts Licensed Practical Nurses with documentation of at least 200 hours of supervised experience (preceptorship) in the role of RN.

Just wondering if you know any new Excelsior grads who are working in Georgia, Vermont or Illinois.

As I mentioned in the previous post, if an Excelsior ADN degree costs $4,500, and a California state ADN degree costs only $1,500, why would California be concerned about its residents flocking to Excelsior and wanting to spend their dollars there?

They wouldn't because the substantial cost difference already keeps them here, and the waiting lists prove that. I suppose you'll argue that a 67 percent cost savings doesn't make much difference. But then, again, I can understand why you may not want to address the specifics.

If you're referring to this document:

http://www.rn.ca.gov/pdf/elcmin%2001-03.pdf

Were you trying to suggest that other California schools have major "non-compliance" issues with the BORN?

As far as I can tell, most of the schools were up for routine review, or were there to get their cirriculum changes approved. You do know that most of this stuff is routine? I hope?

Nine of the schools were in compliance. One school was there to report their correction of one non-compliance area. Another was there to report a 90 percent NCLEX pass rate after falling below 70 percent in two out of five years. (The state doesn't take action unless the rate falls below 70 percent for more than two years) And another school had one area of non-compliance.

Looks pretty good compared with Excelsior's 14 areas of non-compliance at the time. But you may not want to address those specifics either.

Perhaps you could make a better argument next time.

BBFRN, BSN, PhD · Dec 9, 2003

Ya know, Lizz...hmmm...nah- not worth it. Welcome to Allnurses. You seem to have quite a fan club so far.

As for all you EC grads out there- I'm glad to know who you are, and that you're doing well! It gives me encouragement. Wish me luck- I'll be done after the last 2 NC exams, and then off to the CPNE in Atlanta. (Wow! I'm DOING my clinical component in GA...lol. Didn't think if that before!)

featherzRN, MSN · Dec 9, 2003

Just FYI and somewhat off topic, my Regents degree took me 6 months, not two years. I already had an AA while getting my LVN, so all I needed were the nursing exams, the clinical, AP and Microbiology.

Cost was roughly $1500 -- still more than the local community college, but as I was working full time it was a good deal.

heatherbless · Dec 9, 2003

lizz--these are your words;;;"you know, you seem to have a little trouble listening yourself, or at least remembering..."

Are you psychologically off or what?? We would be happy to take up a plate...so--we could help you get some counseling. I have come to the conclusion that you are suffering from an inferiority complex--due to your lack of education and common sense. Most of us, probably have a couple of college degrees here. You are bragging about how little your education cost--when many of us have gone to school at major universities and probably much longer than you. I have a masters degree in psychology from UNC Chapel Hill and am also licensed as a therapist. You seem to get off on putting people down--when you stated just recently, that was not your intention. If I ever met you in the hospital you work at--I would never want you performing any clinical skills on someone who is sick....YOUR BIG HEAD WOULD GET IN THE WAY.

I would recommend that no one else respond to any more of her negativity and just say--YES MAAM.

ITS CALLED NOT GETTING INTO A CONFRONTATIONAL STRUGGLE WITH A BONEHEAD.

HEATHER/

smk1, LPN · Dec 9, 2003

I just had to say that both sides of this debate have made good, valid points but I think that a lot of people are picking on lizz more than maybe is necessary. I think there was a mild condescending tone in a few lines of her messages but overall she just supplied her opinion and backed it up with valid facts to support her decisions/opinions. Why does she need to be flamed for that? Obviously Excelsior works for many many people and that is evidenced by lots of nurses on this BB, but everyone has the right to be cautious over where they choose to receive their education, and if they are cautious about EC then that is just their choice. No need to gang up on anyone here guys! I think there was a good debate going here lets keep it friendly!:)

debRNo1 · Dec 9, 2003

Originally posted by heatherbless
I would recommend that no one else respond to any more of her negativity and just say

--YES MAAM.
ITS CALLED NOT GETTING INTO A CONFRONTATIONAL STRUGGLE WITH A BONEHEAD.

HEATHER/

Im with you HEATHER and like lgflamini said, Its NOT worth it

This will be my final response (cant resist) and I suggest others do the same.

LIZZ~ its amazing just what a wealth of knowledge you are.

Im not the only one thinking this Im sure..........

Did someone call you CONDESENDING and a CONFRONTATIONAL BONEHEAD :confused:

You are way too BRIGHT and know way TOO much to be about so many things to be condesending. Its not condeseding and its not a personality disorder. Dont you all see that this is a very smart person who knows alot of STUFF. Im sure there is plenty that a wanna-be OOPS student nurse like you could teach us old experienced nurses. We are all very impressed with you and your never ending wealth of knowledge on so many topics.

You arent RUDE and fresh, ignorant or unknowledgable, spiteful or psychotic, argumentative or mean. You are not unprofessional and inexperienced. You live in southern California and maybe that makes people jealous ?? Im sure that SOMEONE will JUMP to hire you and give you more money than the experienced nurses! You are worth every penny you get................

A confrontational or personality disorder ? I think not !!

An inferiority complex or a lack of common sense and COURTESY ? NAH !! ARROGANCE ? NO! You are intelligent and very very friendly bet you have more friends than all us EC grads put together, people must bother you all the time for the right answers to lifes mysterious questions !!

dont you all see that we have GOD's gift to nursing here

You arent cocky or overly confident, you arent a squeaky wheel or an empty wagon, you should toot your horn and honk as loud as you can ~ you are THE master communicator and its just great that you have found an outlet here to share what you know.

Bet you shine in your classes and clinicals. :roll Bet your nursing instructors are just as impressed as we are. Im sure you will graduate at the top of your class with the highest GPA and be the best nurse EVER.

Your fan club is growing.........All together now

YES MAAM

Welcome to Allnurses.com

Sheri257 · Dec 9, 2003

Originally posted by smkoepke
I just had to say that both sides of this debate have made good, valid points but I think that a lot of people are picking on lizz more than maybe is necessary. I think there was a mild condescending tone in a few lines of her messages but overall she just supplied her opinion and backed it up with valid facts to support her decisions/opinions. Why does she need to be flamed for that? Obviously Excelsior works for many many people and that is evidenced by lots of nurses on this BB, but everyone has the right to be cautious over where they choose to receive their education, and if they are cautious about EC then that is just their choice. No need to gang up on anyone here guys! I think there was a good debate going here lets keep it friendly!:)

Thanks. I appreciate it. I will continue to post my opinion and back it up with documentation.

The people who have resorted to name calling are Excelsior students or grads, who are upset that the facts don't always jive with their agenda.

I guess that's to be expected, although the name calling is rather lame.

IMHO, when people resort to name calling, they lose credibility.

Sheri257 · Dec 9, 2003

Originally posted by heatherbless
Are you psychologically off or what?? We would be happy to take up a plate...so--we could help you get some counseling. I have come to the conclusion that you are suffering from an inferiority complex--due to your lack of education and common sense.

ITS CALLED NOT GETTING INTO A CONFRONTATIONAL STRUGGLE WITH A BONEHEAD.

HEATHER/

Originally posted by debRNo1
Did someone call you CONDESENDING and a CONFRONTATIONAL BONEHEAD

Perhaps this is a good time to remind everyone about the board Terms of Service:

Our first priority is to the members that have come here because of the flame-free atmosphere we provide. There is a zero-tolerance policy here against personal attacks. We will not tolerate anyone insulting another individual's opinion nor name calling and will BAN repeat offenders.

Just because we disagree and have had some heated debates, it doesn't mean this thread has to degrade into a flame war.

Peace.:)

heatherbless · Dec 9, 2003

YES MAAM.:chair:

Sheri257 · Dec 9, 2003

Originally posted by heatherbless
YES MAAM.:chair:

"You are what you are"

Great subtitle. I guess you're still calling me a "bonehead," albeit in backhanded fashion.

I did not personally insult you. I refrained from calling you any names.

Can't you respect the rules of the board and do the same?

Or do the rules not apply to you?

BBFRN, BSN, PhD · Dec 9, 2003

Originally posted by lizz
Thanks. I appreciate it. I will continue to post my opinion and back it up with documentation.

And others here who know what's up will continue to post their actual experiences. It's our reality vs. your opinion then. Actual working nurses and their real experiences vs. a nursing student who forms an opinion by a couple documents, but whose opinion will not bend even an iota when said working nurses try to inform her of what's really going on. When you become a nurse, you are going to have to deal with many patients who aren't textbook cases. You will need to display a good amount of flexibility, and an ability to pay attention to subjective data. You've received lots of subjective data here, and you're missing its importance.

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The people who have resorted to name calling are Excelsior students or grads, who are upset that the facts don't always jive with their agenda.

Well, I guess you caught us. We are all under-cover EC agents, here to thwart your mission of "informing the uninformed". We call it reality, you call it an agenda. So be it.

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IMHO, when people resort to name calling, they lose credibility.

IMHO, when nursing students resort to not listening to experienced nurses, they lose an opportunity to learn. (And your opinion has been anything but humble, my dear).