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Evidence based study shows no systemic racism by police

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We all love evidence-based practice right? Well the evidence the Wall Street Journal provides shows there is not a systemic targeting of black Americans. In fact, the evidence provided (links below) show that the number of shootings are less than expected given crime rates.

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"The share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population."

This isn't opinion, this is hard data. They also found that, "the more frequently officers encounter violent suspects from any given racial group, the greater the chance that a member of that group will be fatally shot by a police officer."

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"Research by Harvard economist Roland G. Fryer Jr. also found no evidence of racial discrimination in shootings. Any evidence to the contrary fails to take into account crime rates and civilian behavior before and during interactions with police."

This is the statement from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Scientists, "We find no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities across shootings, and White officers are not more likely to shoot minority civilians than non-White officers."

There were 9 unarmed black people shot by the police in 2019. In one case the suspect was driving at officers and they fired into the vehicle. In two other cases the officers were charged and are awaiting trial. In the others there were various forms of assault on the police who had to take defensive action. There were also 25 unarmed white people shot by officers in the same time period. When you layer in the crime statistics (that African Americans commit 53% of the homicides) from above you see that the number of black people being shot is statistically low.

That doesn't mean there are no racists cops. It's doesn't mean there are no bad cops. It just means that the media narrative that black men are being systematically killed by the police is a myth. The data doesn't support that assertion. But the media doesn't care. They need to sow racial, class, political divides among the people so they can keep feeding us media-tainment.

The Myth of Systemic Police Racism

Fatal Force 2019: People shot and killed by police

Officer characteristics and racial disparities in fatal officer-involved shootings

herring_RN, ASN, BSN

Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical. Has 49 years experience.

It is WRONG for a person whose job is to "Protect and Serve" to KILL anyone unless to save a life.

Why wasn't the killer of John Crawford III arrested? Eric Garner? Akai Gurley? Kajieme Powell? Kelly Thomas? Victor White III? Darrien Hunt? Richard Black Jr.? Robert Ethan Saylor? Daniel Shaver? Keith Vidal? Aiyana Stanley-Jones? Yvette Smith? Jordan Baker? Jonathan Ferrell? Reynaldo Cuevas? Kendrec McDade? Rekia Boyd? Wendell Allen? Dante Price? Kenneth Chamberlain? Steven Eugene Washington? Aaron Campbell? Kiwane Carrington? Oscar Grant? Sean Bell? Henry Glover? Ronald Madison? James Brisette? Timothy Stansbury? Ousmane Zongo? Prince Jones?

herring_RN, ASN, BSN

Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical. Has 49 years experience.

OCT. 8, 2019 LAPD searches blacks and Latinos more. But they’re less likely to have contraband than whites

Los Angeles police officers search blacks and Latinos far more often than whites during traffic stops, even though whites are more likely to be found with illegal items, a Times analysis has found.

The analysis, the first in a decade to calculate racial breakdowns of searches and other actions by LAPD officers after they pull over vehicles, comes amid growing nationwide scrutiny over racial disparities in policing.

The Times obtained the data used in its analysis under a new California law targeting racial profiling that requires the LAPD and other agencies to record detailed information about every traffic stop.

The Times analysis found that across the city, 24% of black drivers and passengers were searched, compared with 16% of Latinos and 5% of whites, during a recent 10-month period...

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-lapd-searches-20190605-story.html

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‘Stop-and-frisk in a car:’ Elite LAPD unit disproportionately stopped black drivers, data show

Metro officers in unmarked, dark-gray SUVs began pulling over drivers to search cars for guns or drugs. By 2018, the number stopped by Metro was nearly 14 times greater than before the expansion.

The effectiveness of the strategy is hard to assess: Crime continued to rise for several years before dipping in 2018.

But it has caused a shift that some consider alarming: Metro officers stop African American drivers at a rate more than five times their share of the city’s population, according to a Times analysis.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-lapd-traffic-stops-20190124-story.html

I think it possible that with more Blacks being stopped more would have illegal contraband and be arrested.

The smaller percent of Whites stopped could result in fewer numbers of White people arrested for illegal weapons or drugs. Wouldn't that make it [wrongly] seem that Blacks commit more crimes?

1 hour ago, herring_RN said:

It is WRONG for a person whose job is to "Protect and Serve" to KILL anyone unless to save a life.

Why wasn't the killer of John Crawford III arrested? Eric Garner? Akai Gurley? Kajieme Powell? Kelly Thomas? Victor White III? Darrien Hunt? Richard Black Jr.? Robert Ethan Saylor? Daniel Shaver? Keith Vidal? Aiyana Stanley-Jones? Yvette Smith? Jordan Baker? Jonathan Ferrell? Reynaldo Cuevas? Kendrec McDade? Rekia Boyd? Wendell Allen? Dante Price? Kenneth Chamberlain? Steven Eugene Washington? Aaron Campbell? Kiwane Carrington? Oscar Grant? Sean Bell? Henry Glover? Ronald Madison? James Brisette? Timothy Stansbury? Ousmane Zongo? Prince Jones?

I like how you ignore the evidence presented and then type a bunch of names with no context. Just like in the other thread where you listed a bunch of names and I laid out the explanation for each.

Here's the screenshot so everyone can see again how you're not presenting evidence but rather a list of names. I bet if I looked these names up, like I did last time, I'd find the deaths of those people were investigated and deemed justifiable. Of course there are bad cops. Of course people are shot by police unnecessarily, we're human we make mistakes. But years of research and data prove that black people are not systematically killed based on their race.

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On 6/9/2020 at 8:44 PM, herring_RN said:

OCT. 8, 2019 LAPD searches blacks and Latinos more. But they’re less likely to have contraband than whites

Los Angeles police officers search blacks and Latinos far more often than whites during traffic stops, even though whites are more likely to be found with illegal items, a Times analysis has found.

The analysis, the first in a decade to calculate racial breakdowns of searches and other actions by LAPD officers after they pull over vehicles, comes amid growing nationwide scrutiny over racial disparities in policing.

The Times obtained the data used in its analysis under a new California law targeting racial profiling that requires the LAPD and other agencies to record detailed information about every traffic stop.

The Times analysis found that across the city, 24% of black drivers and passengers were searched, compared with 16% of Latinos and 5% of whites, during a recent 10-month period...

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-lapd-searches-20190605-story.html

I think it possible that with more Blacks being stopped more would have illegal contraband and be arrested.

The smaller percent of Whites stopped could result in fewer numbers of White people arrested for illegal weapons or drugs. Wouldn't that make it [wrongly] seem that Blacks commit more crimes?

Well maybe the liberal governor, mayors, city councils and police chiefs in California should change the policies there. Or maybe the people should stop voting for these do-nothing liberals who shout "racist" at everyone else but never do anything to help the black community when they are in charge. Please explain why liberal run cities and states have the worst crime and race issues? Baltimore, DC, Detroit, LA, New Orleans, NYC, LA SF are all run exclusively by liberals and all have the worst crime in the country. Hmm, wonder why??

herring_RN, ASN, BSN

Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical. Has 49 years experience.

Violent crime rates in United States cities averages in the 300+ per 100,000 residents. To me any violent crime is too much, but in Los Angeles it has been less than 300 a year for a decade.

The Most Dangerous Cities in the US

Crime in L.A. dropped again in 2019. Police credit community outreach and gang intervention

Here are actions by activists over the recent decade working with police to help OUR city become safer:

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What WE did to combat murder and violence

... We recognized that screaming for more police, prosecutors and draconian jail sentences wouldn't stop the mayhem. It would take an angered, fearless and proactive community effort. We launched a broad campaign that we called "Get the Killers Off the Streets."

We prodded family members, friends and relatives of young men and women gunned down to stand with us in a series of roving neighborhood candlelight vigils and marches.

We circulated fliers with a hotline number that witnesses could call to provide information and remain anonymous.

We asked callers to provide license plate numbers and car descriptions and, in some cases, to name names.

This information was passed on in confidence to police liaison officials. We knew that getting people, many of whom had information, to shed their fear of retaliation and provide information anonymously was key to making a dent in curbing the violence. In more than a few cases, this resulted in quick arrests...

... The murder rate in South LA plunged dramatically, and it has stayed down. Just knowing that our efforts spared a family from grieving over the murder of a son or a daughter made all of our efforts worth it.

Los Angeles to Chicago: What we did to combat murder and violence - Chicago Tribune

Los Angeles to Chicago: What we did to combat murder and violence

The man speaking in the video was one of the original activists who began working with police to stop gang shooting in 2009.

kaylee.

Specializes in Stepdown . Telemetry. Has 8 years experience.

On 6/9/2020 at 5:00 PM, TomPaine said:

This isn't opinion, this is hard data.

This is the statement from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Scientists, "We find no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities across shootings, and White officers are not more likely to shoot minority civilians than non-White officers."

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

WOW!! Did you not critically read the paper? Or did you just take WSJ’s word for it!

from the PNAS:

although we find no overall evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities in fatal shootings, when focusing on different subtypes of shootings (e.g., unarmed shootings or “suicide by cop”), data are too uncertain to draw firm conclusions.

...whether a particular officer shows bias in any individual case is a different question than whether officers in general show bias. Claims of national bias in FOIS requires examining fatal force in aggregate, and not just in one incident or racial group.

....continued work on this issue will require more information about the officers, civilians, and circumstances surrounding these events.

We encourage federal agencies to enforce policies that require recording information about the civilians and officers in FOIS to better understand the relationship between civilian race and police use of force.

The authors clearly state that despite their findings, one cannot therefore conclude the absence of disparity.

I love your claim that is hard data that somehow concludes that it is fact. you either don’t know how or you choose not to critically decipher scientific information for your own ideological agenda.

On 6/9/2020 at 11:02 PM, kaylee. said:

WOW! Did you not critically read the paper? Or did you just take WSJ’s word for it!

from the PNAS:

although we find no overall evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities in fatal shootings, when focusing on different subtypes of shootings (e.g., unarmed shootings or “suicide by cop”), data are too uncertain to draw firm conclusions.

...whether a particular officer shows bias in any individual case is a different question than whether officers in general show bias. Claims of national bias in FOIS requires examining fatal force in aggregate, and not just in one incident or racial group.

....continued work on this issue will require more information about the officers, civilians, and circumstances surrounding these events.

We encourage federal agencies to enforce policies that require recording information about the civilians and officers in FOIS to better understand the relationship between civilian race and police use of force.

The authors clearly state that despite their findings, one cannot therefore conclude the absence of disparity.

I love your claim that is hard data that somehow concludes that it is fact. you either don’t know how or you choose not to critically decipher scientific information for your own ideological agenda.

Way to cherry pick a couple of sentences to fit your agenda. The focus of the paper was that there is no evidence that white officers shoot people of color at a higher frequency. They even said, "We find no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities across shootings, and White officers are not more likely to shoot minority civilians than non-White officers. Instead, race-specific crime strongly predicts civilian race."

But I guess you can choose to believe the media narrative.

herring_RN, ASN, BSN

Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical. Has 49 years experience.

Officer characteristics and racial disparities in fatal officer-involved shootings

Examination of National Violent Death Reporting System data shows racial differences across types of fatal shootings.

Black civilians fatally shot by police (relative to White civilians) are more likely to be unarmed and less likely to pose an immediate threat to officers...

... Overall, officer demographics such as sex and experience were not related to racial disparities in fatal shootings. Although officer race was related to racial disparities, the fact that Black and Hispanic civilians were more likely to be shot by same-race officers was largely explained by similarities between officer and county demographics. Because racial disparities in FOIS do not vary based on officer race, hiring more diverse officers may not reduce racial disparities in FOIS. This is not to say that increasing officer diversity is without merit, as increasing officer diversity may broaden understanding of diverse communities and increase trust in law enforcement. However, these data suggest that increasing racial diversity would not meaningfully reduce racial disparity in fatal shootings...

... We found that a person fatally shot by police was much more likely to be White when they were suicidal. This does not mean that there are department policies or officer biases that encourage fatal shootings of suicidal White civilians. A more plausible explanation is that White civilians are more likely to attempt “suicide by cop” than minorities. Similarly, Black and Hispanic officers (compared with White officers) were more likely to fatally shoot Black and Hispanic civilians. This does not mean that there are department policies encouraging non-White officers to fatally shoot minorities. Rather, the link between officer race and FOIS appears to be explained by officers and civilians being drawn from the same population, making it more likely that an officer will be exposed to (and fatally shoot) a same-race civilian. We stress that these findings cannot incriminate or exonerate officers in any specific case...

... Until now, researchers have been unable to test questions related to officer characteristics in fatal shootings. We created a near-complete database of fatal shootings in 2015 to test questions about racial disparities in FOIS. However, continued work on this issue will require more information about the officers, civilians, and circumstances surrounding these events...

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

As one of the researchers and author Joseph Cesario said:

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"The race of a police officer did not predict the race of the citizen shot.

In other words, black officers were just as likely to shoot black citizens as white officers were."

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/26/745731839/new-study-says-white-police-officers-are-not-more-likely-to-shoot-minority-suspe

On 6/9/2020 at 10:02 PM, kaylee. said:

WOW! Did you not critically read the paper? Or did you just take WSJ’s word for it!

from the PNAS:

although we find no overall evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities in fatal shootings, when focusing on different subtypes of shootings (e.g., unarmed shootings or “suicide by cop”), data are too uncertain to draw firm conclusions.

...whether a particular officer shows bias in any individual case is a different question than whether officers in general show bias. Claims of national bias in FOIS requires examining fatal force in aggregate, and not just in one incident or racial group.

....continued work on this issue will require more information about the officers, civilians, and circumstances surrounding these events.

We encourage federal agencies to enforce policies that require recording information about the civilians and officers in FOIS to better understand the relationship between civilian race and police use of force.

The authors clearly state that despite their findings, one cannot therefore conclude the absence of disparity.

I love your claim that is hard data that somehow concludes that it is fact. you either don’t know how or you choose not to critically decipher scientific information for your own ideological agenda.

Haha! It’s all in the fine print! Anyone can find links to support their biased views. Not all “studies” are scientifically sound studies. I’m sure the OP knew this though.

herring_RN, ASN, BSN

Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical. Has 49 years experience.

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