Read what is being said by American Lawyers about US Nurses, basically we are uneducated, not dedicated, and need the help of foreign nurses to function.
American nurses especially ADN prepared nurses are inferior to Foreign BSN nurses.
American nurses abandon patients.
I have written to my congressmen regarding my feelings about this bill. I resent being told by non nurses how nursing should practice.
We needed, I feel qualified internationally educated nurses can add to the American Nursing profession, currently there in no need to import nurses.
Specializes in ACNP-BC, Adult Critical Care, Cardiology.
NP Gilly. These are not temporary work visas being talked about. Once they set foot in US they are given permanent residency aka green cards so all the scenarios you mentioned does not apply.
You came to the US yourself from another country, so you should know the difference between a work visa and being a permanent resident. Or you forgot how you came to the US yourself as you claim.
Lawrence, I have not forgotten where I came from. I have relatives in the Philippines who are also nurses and are hoping to emigrate as well. I arrived on a working visa and I can speak from experience about the truth to what I just stated. But you are right, the bill being introduced is for 20,000 immigrant visas, a better option for foreign nurses.
I have nothing but goodwill and hopes for nurses in the Philippines who wish to leave for better wages and working conditions. The decision is up to the US government to allow this bill to pass. In the same token, the American people have the right to express their disapproval of such a bill.
I have nothing against Philippine nurses. But seeing what is going on in the US, wouldn't it be a better idea all around, if the Philippinno nurses took control over their profession? Demanded that their government stop overproducing nurses who have no chance of obtaining employment in their country? They are setting themselves up to be exploited in the US, and other countries who are the recipients of the un-needed nurses.
In other words, fix the problem instead of emigrating to other countries to find work. It is the obligation of a government to take care of their own, not export the problem to other countries. JMHO and my NY$0.02.
I have nothing against Philippine nurses. But seeing what is going on in the US, wouldn't it be a better idea all around, if the Philippinno nurses took control over their profession? Demanded that their government stop overproducing nurses who have no chance of obtaining employment in their country? They are setting themselves up to be exploited in the US, and other countries who are the recipients of the un-needed nurses.
In other words, fix the problem instead of emigrating to other countries to find work. It is the obligation of a government to take care of their own, not export the problem to other countries. JMHO and my NY$0.02.
Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington
There are lots of Americans all over the world. We can go on and on and I can say the same thing as you have said to all Americans working abroad. The thread will go off-topic of course but then it seems that if there's nothing left to debate re: the the original topic people cite things not related to it anymore.
We are of course in a global economy and it's a two-way street. Maybe GM should move out of China, etc...
But bringing up those things would be hardly fair and off-topic so I think people should stay on topic.
Lawrence, I have not forgotten where I came from. I have relatives in the Philippines who are also nurses and are hoping to emigrate as well. I arrived on a working visa and I can speak from experience about the truth to what I just stated. But you are right, the bill being introduced is for 20,000 immigrant visas, a better option for foreign nurses.
I have nothing but goodwill and hopes for nurses in the Philippines who wish to leave for better wages and working conditions. The decision is up to the US government to allow this bill to pass. In the same token, the American people have the right to express their disapproval of such a bill.
Good luck to you.
Where did I say they don't have the right to expression ?? I was merely reminding you your roots and how you came here. Hardly, not what your fellow Filipinos expect of you.
Your lucky, most probably when you came to the US on a work visa there was probably no fellow Filipino saying the same things as you are now. Congratulations.
Specializes in Education, FP, LNC, Forensics, ED, OB.
Please, let's not make this a personal one-on-one discussion.
When we do that, it takes away from the discussion/topic, brings it to a level where we feel like we are being put in a position to reply and there it goes; back and forth.
Let's just keep to the topic, with some minor deviations here and there.
Specializes in ACNP-BC, Adult Critical Care, Cardiology.
I'm just going to say this once and will bow out of this thread afterwards:
If being Filipino is challenging whatever is right and appropriate for the current situation in the American society to which I now belong to, and to which many of you are asking to be welcomed to, then, I seek no association with this "Filipino" mentality and proudly declare my loyalty to the United States.
Specializes in ACNP-BC, Adult Critical Care, Cardiology.
NP Gilly. These are not temporary work visas being talked about. Once they set foot in US they are given permanent residency aka green cards so all the scenarios you mentioned does not apply.
I said the above was my last post - I lied. This is my last post.
Even with immigrant visas, the scenario of a foreign nurse being under the employer's unfair grip can still exist. There are employers that require contracts signed in exchange for immigrant visa sponsorship.
On the other side of that coin, if a foreign nurse who arrives on an immigrant visa is hired by an unfair employer who did not ask for a contract, the foreign nurse will naturally leave the employer to work somewhere else - that's just survival. Again, no matter what a nurse's country of origin is, we know what's unfair and we know what is considered good working conditions.
And good and bad working conditions exist in healthcare whether we have a booming economy or a recession. My point is, regardless of how you flip the coin, the issue of why certain employers could not fill their nurse vacancies does not really get addressed with foreign nurse recruitment.
However, I am all for diversity in the workplace. I work with a very diverse group of professionals and patients in an urban hospital setting. Our hospital sponsored immigrant visas for foreign nurses back when there were plenty of jobs to be had because health care was booming in the area and hospitals were expanding left and right. Many of the foreign nurses hired are stil working with us because our employer is fair. With the current economic crisis in my metro area, many hospitals have downsized and trimmed down existing job openings for nurses.
I have never seen a non profit recruiting agency, they are in the business of signing nurses on to make money for their own pockets, nothing more, these agencies do not care about nursing, they care about increasing there profit.
The only lawyers I know who work for a low salary is public defenders or non profits. So the lawyers who solicit foreign nurses are doing it to increase their profits.
I see the foreign nurses here, they only post about changing US Policy so they can attain a job in the USA even when there is no need. The foreign nurses don't apply to critical shortage areas such as rural Maine, Indian Reservations, and low paying positions. Outpatient, home care, and MD offices are the areas that are targeted for a shortage. But over and over I see foreign nurses predominantly want to work in a hospital.
I don't see the advocates for this bill post any place except in areas that are self serving. That sends a big message to me.
Wait... first you want to say that there is no shortage and now you admit there is a shortage and you need to increase funds for nursing education... you can't have it both ways.
Yes, I'm for increasing funds to nursing education; the problem is TIMING. There is no physical way to produce enough qualified RNs fast enough in the USA that is why there has to be a two-part solution, bring in foreign nurses to fill the immediate needs and then increase nursing education to fill the long-term need.
I agree this is the perfect time to fund the NEED Bill that will support US nurse the time line work perfect.
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Did you know that as a US citizen living in another country that I still have to file income tax returns? I do.
Also, just because I'm living in the Philippines does not mean I'm completely out of touch. I've had long phone calls with family and friends in the USA who are loosing jobs and struggling with pay cuts and losses in commission earnings. I'm aware of how things are NOW. I'm focusing on what is happening in the next 24-36 months
Once again the NEED Bill will take care of this.
"I only know of agencies that are hiring, the hospital administrators that I've met are not willing to disclose the hospital names to anyone except for the agencies that they have contracts with. This is a very competitive and in many ways secretive business in the Philippines because there is a great fear of hijacking clients and prospects.
They will say that they work for "a major hospital in NY state" and that's about the best I can get out of them.
Additionally, based on AllNurses.com TOS I'm not sure I am allowed to post the recruitment agency information here."
Why would administrators only talk to Expats and not the US nurses, sorry this doesn't seem right to me. Good management is inclusive and doesn't seek advice from people not in the situation.
I have nothing against Philippine nurses. But seeing what is going on in the US, wouldn't it be a better idea all around, if the Philippinno nurses took control over their profession? Demanded that their government stop overproducing nurses who have no chance of obtaining employment in their country? They are setting themselves up to be exploited in the US, and other countries who are the recipients of the un-needed nurses.
In other words, fix the problem instead of emigrating to other countries to find work. It is the obligation of a government to take care of their own, not export the problem to other countries. JMHO and my NY$0.02.
Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington
Nursing needs patient advocates, I would be very impressed with nurses ( like the Canadian Nurse who are 100% unionized) who could immigrate with solutions other than we will work for cheap and not question management.
Corey Narry, MSN, RN, NP
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Lawrence, I have not forgotten where I came from. I have relatives in the Philippines who are also nurses and are hoping to emigrate as well. I arrived on a working visa and I can speak from experience about the truth to what I just stated. But you are right, the bill being introduced is for 20,000 immigrant visas, a better option for foreign nurses.
I have nothing but goodwill and hopes for nurses in the Philippines who wish to leave for better wages and working conditions. The decision is up to the US government to allow this bill to pass. In the same token, the American people have the right to express their disapproval of such a bill.
Good luck to you.