Don't forget the BS

Nursing Students ADN/BSN

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I'm not going to argue whether RN's should be diploma, 2 year, or 4 year, but what I have a complaint about is that for those of us with a BS with a major in nursing get left out of the loop. Many times we are just given the title BSN because we have the 4 year degree, but in fact, these two are slightly different.

I have seen my name with someone else adding the title BSN and it really aggravates me! :angryfire

Anyhow...my understanding of the difference is that the BS with a major in nursing is a 4 year degree awarded by the university/college, not a college within the university system, and therefore requires a few more credits for graduation. The BSN is awarded to students who attended a College of Nursing school within a university. In other words, its a separate division within the school that has different graduation requirements, albeit not much different than other divisions within the university but different none the less.

Am I alone on this one?

Specializes in Cardiac Care.

I had no idea of the difference. I learned something. Thanks!

Me too.

At Duke, I've seen nurses on the floor who are "BS, RN" and others who are "BSN, RN". Come to think of it, I've seen it in every hospital I've ever been in.

Now I know.

I'm a bit of a cop on this sort of stuff myself. Yes, it's petty, I'm sure - but I understand the point of people being upset. You are what you are, you earned what you earned - so you want it given that way. I don't blame you a bit.

Specializes in Maternity, quality.

You know, I never knew that... But I looked at my school's program and realized that I'm earning an MS. Just an MS. Actually I never knew that there was such a thing as a real BSN or MSN. I thought it was just shorthand for nurses to know that the person's bachelors or masters was in nursing and not, I dunno, sociology or something.

Degree stuff is interesting. My undergrad degree is technically an AB, not a BA. I only know of one other university that does that (Harvard, FWIW). But I never write AB on anything because I assume that most people will think that AB stands for associate's in business or something... I usually just write the words out, because I'm kind of a stickler about accuracy and don't want to say that I have a BA if that's not actually what my school considers me to have. Yeah, I know it's not important in the grand scheme of things, but it can be a bugaboo for some of us. :)

Specializes in ICU,corrections, LTC.

As I work toward my RN-Associates Degree in Nursing, I sometimes wonder if I want to put in the further time to achieve my BSN. Posts such as these make me wonder even more. Sometimes I wonder if it is the quest for further knowledge or more alphabet soup that pushes some to further their education. I hope it is the thirst for knowledge and better understanding.

Specializes in Psychiatric.

amen! :yeah:

many have 4 year degrees besides and other than bsn. in addition, i know of many 2nd or 3rd degree rns who have adn plus ba pr degrees in related fields like biology, chemistry or psychology/social work, yet "they" just tear them down as "only ad nurses". i wish we could just respect everyone's educational accomplishments period.
Specializes in Psychiatric.

Finally! Someone that is pondering the same questions as I. I am also working towards ADN or ASN and I can't decide whether or not to pursue a Bachelors. I have been told by RN's in my area that the pay for ADN and BSN is the same and the only reason to get a BSN is if you want to get into the management....otherwise, everything is the same. A majority of those that graduate with BSN do not know this. I sure didn't! My question at this point is in order to specialize in a certain field, such as, Psychiatric Nursing, do I need to pursue a BSN specializing in this field or just take more psychology classes as electives? :nurse: :typing

Hope to hear from someone soon.

As I work toward my RN-Associates Degree in Nursing, I sometimes wonder if I want to put in the further time to achieve my BSN. Posts such as these make me wonder even more. Sometimes I wonder if it is the quest for further knowledge or more alphabet soup that pushes some to further their education. I hope it is the thirst for knowledge and better understanding.
Specializes in ER.
I guess the frustration lies in people sticking a title behind my name that is not entirely correct. Perhaps I am getting stuck in details, but for what ever reason I prefer to have it correct.

Here is an example where you will see that the degree at this school doesn't have BSN or even MSN. Scroll to the botton and you will see what I am referring to.

http://www.uml.edu/catalog/undergraduate/colleges/health_environment/nursing/RN%20course%20of%20study%202.pdf

And here is another link from UMass Boston:

http://www.umb.edu/academics/departments/nursing/programs/bachelors/index.html

the top link, it's for RN's getting their BSN or MSN (or they're getting the BSN, then proceeding to the MSN) - pretty clear, actually. Still called BSN and MSN. This program, at the top, says "Registered nurses...." So the Bachelor's they're pursuing at the College of Health Professions IS the BSN.

Specializes in ER.
Many have 4 year degrees besides and other than BSN. In addition, I know of many 2nd or 3rd degree RNs who have ADN plus BA pr degrees in related fields like biology, chemistry or psychology/social work, yet "they" just tear them down as "only AD nurses". I wish we could just respect everyone's educational accomplishments period.

If you have a Bachelor's in "biology, chemistry"... those science-specific, then it would be a Bachelor's in Science, not Arts.

Specializes in ER.
*** Just to throw this in the mix....... I work with several nurses who have RN, BAN on their badges for Bachelor of Arts in Nursing. Some schools grant the BAN instead of BSN.

hmmm never heard of BAN... Nursing is SCIENCE-related, not arts... I did Google it... are these BAN's within a nursing program, specifically? Or are the BAN's just a focus on Nursing? If that's the case, you'd think it wouldn't be valid to sit for the licensing exam...

I did find this site for RN-BAN

http://www.dwu.edu/nursing/ba/index.htm

The above link mentions the nursing portion is done online, which only serves to reinforce my question of the validity to sit for the boards. Unless you go through an ADN program first, then proceed to the BAN. I have never heard of this.... even researching where I would go to school for my BSN, I never came across this... very informative!

Not sure how it relates to nursing but in the colleges I have attended/seen most if not all degrees offer a B.A. or a B.S..

The differences is usually that the B.A.'s are more humainties based and the B.S. have more scientific requirements.

While I was working on my B.S. in physics it required 6 more credits of lower level 'Science' classes and 6 more higher level classes related specifically to the degree.

In science professions a B.S. is preferable. I would think that it would be in Nursing as well.

Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.

hmmm never heard of BAN... Nursing is SCIENCE-related, not arts... I did Google it... are these BAN's within a nursing program, specifically? Or are the BAN's just a focus on Nursing? If that's the case, you'd think it wouldn't be valid to sit for the licensing exam...

*** Real, highly respected nursing schools grant BANs and their grad can sit the NCLEX and they are CCNE acreteted and everything.

I did find this site for RN-BAN

http://www.dwu.edu/nursing/ba/index.htm

The above link mentions the nursing portion is done online, which only serves to reinforce my question of the validity to sit for the boards. Unless you go through an ADN program first, then proceed to the BAN. I have never heard of this.... even researching where I would go to school for my BSN, I never came across this... very informative

*** Here is a web site for a real and very highly repected nursing school that grants a Bachelor of Arts degree with a major in nursing. I first heard of the BAN when looking at the army's nurse recruiting page that listed as a requirment a "BSN or BAN".

http://www.css.edu/Academics/School_of_Nursing/BA_Nursing.html

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