Does everyone have a conscience?

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Does everyone have a conscience? I used to think everyone did, but now I'm not so sure. My colleagues, most of whom are teachers, always reprimand me when I say a kid is bad.

'There's no such thing as a bad child, just bad behaviour' they sometimes say. What happens if you're convinced someone isn't just bad, but has a black heart?

I was on a school trip to London - not so much as a nurse, simply one of the adults chaperoning about 20 seniors from our private European boarding school.

We were sitting not far from Leister Square at a small cafe enjoying the warm late summer evening, soaking in the crowds, the hubbub of life, when a car went roaring past, way in excess of the speed limit, nearly running over several pedestrians in the overcrowded street.

'What an idiot, he could have killed someone' I exclaimed, while Nurlan burst into laughter.

Nurlan was from Kazakhstan, and most likely his family part of the criminal power structure there - although that would only be a guess, but probably accurate.

I asked him what was so funny, and he said it was funny watching people jump out the way.

'But somebody could have been killed!' I exclaimed, and he laughed louder.

It could have been simply teenage bluster, but something about Nurlan didn't feel right; it seemed sinister. But what would I know, I'm probably over-reacting. But I didn't let it drop.

'So you don't care if someone died?' I asked, and he shrugged his shoulders.

'Why would I care?' His laughter had died, the ice in his voice sending a chill down my spine.

I asked him what if that was his grandmother who got run over and killed, and of course, that would be a different story. He said he'd kill the driver, and I believed him. But I wasn't ready to let up.

I asked him what if it was his grandmother who had been hurt, but hadn't died, but needed help, but everyone stood around not caring, and laughing like he did.

'If everyone else was like you, your grandmother would be dead, because no one stopped to give a damn.'

He because agitated, and told me to shut up, but I was angry as well.

'You should be thankful the world isn't full of people like you' I suggested, and he said he wasn't going to sit there and be insulted by a mere nurse. So he left.

Sadly, Nurlan isn't the only teenager I've met who I suspect has never felt compassion for a stranger, but these people aren't immune to change. Five years in a boarding school is sometimes the best thing for some of our students, because it takes them out of their home environment, which is sometimes lethal, particularly to people they don't like.

Sometimes my job isn't about nursing at all, but trying to bring to life that spark of humanity that I do actually believe is inside of all of us, that has sadly been suppressed all their lives.

I can't say Nurlan graduated much different from when he joined us, but then he was only with us for his senior year, so we didn't have the time to bring out the humanity in him.

But there are many others that we do manage to influence in a positive way, but I'll save that for another time.

Specializes in HH, Peds, Rehab, Clinical.

Bhahahahahaha, now you know how we all feel about YOU!!!

Miss detective, I think you need to take a look at yourself. I lived in London for 4yrs, so if I wanted to make something up, I could have picked lots of places. Are you trying to bowl everyone over with your knowledge of the traffic at all times of the day. Not sure about the restaurant comment, but do you have any idea of the makeup of your average european boarding school? Probably not, although it's usually Russian, with a large Kazakh contingent.

But seriously, your biggest problem seems to me that during your trip to London with your husband, and you having to drive on the other side of the road, you can't imagine someone speeding in a busy area.

As for the police - they're there because it's such a great target, although everything in London these days is a target.

Seriously, really struggling to figure you out.[/QUOTE]

Specializes in Hospice.

Please, for the love of fuzzy puppies, please stop feeding it!! As soon as I saw who the OP was, I skipped right to the end, with this impassioned plea.

Specializes in ICU.

This person is a very prejudicial, judgmental person. You generalize people from every culture. I really hope all of your stories are not real and this is just to troll a nursing site. If I was parent and this is the kind of conduct you engage with your students (as I have read several of your posts), I would honestly go to the school and either pull my kid out or talk to the director of the school and get you fired. None of these posts that you supposedly have with teenage boys are appropriate for discussion from a school nurse. You purposely argue and incite these kids. Your job is not to somehow instill morals in teenagers. It's just not. That is a family issue. Or even a teacher issue. Not a school nurse issue. You are not qualified to teach teenage boys. That is why teachers have teaching degrees. Nurses do educate. But they educate patients in matters in which they are qualified. I am going to think to myself that you are just trolling us here.

This person is a very prejudicial, judgmental person. You generalize people from every culture. I really hope all of your stories are not real and this is just to troll a nursing site. If I was parent and this is the kind of conduct you engage with your students (as I have read several of your posts), I would honestly go to the school and either pull my kid out or talk to the director of the school and get you fired. None of these posts that you supposedly have with teenage boys are appropriate for discussion from a school nurse. You purposely argue and incite these kids. Your job is not to somehow instill morals in teenagers. It's just not. That is a family issue. Or even a teacher issue. Not a school nurse issue. You are not qualified to teach teenage boys. That is why teachers have teaching degrees. Nurses do educate. But they educate patients in matters in which they are qualified. I am going to think to myself that you are just trolling us here.

Sometimes, my role is not as a nurse, but a regular human. And sometimes, people need to be told straight that something is right or wrong. But sadly, in today's society, no one dares judge, because that would be wrong. But that's the problem when you have a society where morals are fluid. If that's the case, then there is no right or wrong, and it doesn't matter what I say. It's strange, but so many of the stereotypes we heard about certain nationalities - they're true. Is this racist to speak the truth? Is it judgmental?

I gotta ask, have you ever met a bunch of raw Saudis. By raw, I mean Saudis straight out of Riyadh and into the western world, having never spent time outside their country - they are incredible, and not in good ways. But we tolerate their behaviours, and slowly they adapt to other ways of life and looking at things, and they usually learn to function in normal society.

Am I racist for saying this? I think not, but you may disagree. But I've seen colleagues who have first had to work with Saudis, and they simply cannot tolerate the way they behave, the lack of respect, they inability to get out of bed, the inability to stop eating fries, the inability to refuse a 3rd red-bull for lunch. When I was ski instructing, we even had a teacher confiscate a teen's 3rd red-bull, and the Saudis ganged up and attacked the poor guy, physically. I was called in to rescue the rest of the week. So breakfast started at 1100hrs, bedtime was 0200hrs, they didn't ski, we visited every shop in town, and ate at every restaurant, and did absolutely nothing physical, which is sad, because out of 40 kids, only 5 of them weren't very fat.

But I enjoyed working with them, and we had fun, and poked fun at each other, but got along.

Sadly, I cringe at the thought of you politically correct, unbiased, non-judgmental, unrealistic do gooders, trying to work with such a bunch of people. Not only would they not respect you (probably because you're a woman - and it's not racist to say this, it's generally the truth) but they might get a bit pushy with you.

Specializes in OB.
Sadly, I cringe at the thought of you politically correct, unbiased, non-judgmental, unrealistic do gooders, trying to work with such a bunch of people. Not only would they not respect you (probably because you're a woman - and it's not racist to say this, it's generally the truth) but they might get a bit pushy with you.

Mmmkay bye then!

Specializes in HH, Peds, Rehab, Clinical.

What in the Sam Hill does your wild story have to do with nursing?! Seriously, is there an untreated chemical imbalance that should be addressed?

Sometimes, my role is not as a nurse, but a regular human. And sometimes, people need to be told straight that something is right or wrong. But sadly, in today's society, no one dares judge, because that would be wrong. But that's the problem when you have a society where morals are fluid. If that's the case, then there is no right or wrong, and it doesn't matter what I say. It's strange, but so many of the stereotypes we heard about certain nationalities - they're true. Is this racist to speak the truth? Is it judgmental?

I gotta ask, have you ever met a bunch of raw Saudis. By raw, I mean Saudis straight out of Riyadh and into the western world, having never spent time outside their country - they are incredible, and not in good ways. But we tolerate their behaviours, and slowly they adapt to other ways of life and looking at things, and they usually learn to function in normal society.

Am I racist for saying this? I think not, but you may disagree. But I've seen colleagues who have first had to work with Saudis, and they simply cannot tolerate the way they behave, the lack of respect, they inability to get out of bed, the inability to stop eating fries, the inability to refuse a 3rd red-bull for lunch. When I was ski instructing, we even had a teacher confiscate a teen's 3rd red-bull, and the Saudis ganged up and attacked the poor guy, physically. I was called in to rescue the rest of the week. So breakfast started at 1100hrs, bedtime was 0200hrs, they didn't ski, we visited every shop in town, and ate at every restaurant, and did absolutely nothing physical, which is sad, because out of 40 kids, only 5 of them weren't very fat.

But I enjoyed working with them, and we had fun, and poked fun at each other, but got along.

Sadly, I cringe at the thought of you politically correct, unbiased, non-judgmental, unrealistic do gooders, trying to work with such a bunch of people. Not only would they not respect you (probably because you're a woman - and it's not racist to say this, it's generally the truth) but they might get a bit pushy with you.

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

Then why do you continue to spend time here, since you obviously have no respect for this site and its members?

Then why do you continue to spend time here, since you obviously have no respect for this site and its members?

You're right, goodbye.

Wow, that's wordy. My eyes glossed over and I think I nodded off. Back to pharmacology...

Specializes in Hospice.
You're right, goodbye.

Wow, was it really that easy? I can't believe it was that easy. Something nefarious is afoot...

Specializes in ICU.

Let me explain to you why you and your comments are considered racist in my opinion. I never, ever judge someone based on their race or where they live. I do judge people. But I judge them based on how they treat me and others. That is how you judge someone appropriately. You, on the other hand, judged a teenage boy because he was Russian. You automatically assumed that he was in some mob-type personality. Saying that's probably what his family did, so you lumped him in there without taking the time to get to know or understand him. In your other posts, you seem to think that in the US, we have no morals and are all hyped up on Media and sex. Probably because of what Hollywood does. And you are so wrong on both accounts. Then you also judged me for being a woman and saying I would get pushed around. You don't know me, how can you possibly make that judgement. Your comments are just wrong on so many levels.

When you served on this trip as a chaperone, you crossed professional boundries. Having young students under you is not the same as sitting in a breakroom with friends and telling them your thoughts on life. In nursing, you need to hold yourself to a high moral standard and abide by a code of ethics. In these stories that you tell, you have crossed those boundries. These people are not your friends, people you see sitting in a cafe somewhere, these are students. It's that plain and simple. Regardless of your personal beliefs you cannot engage children that you are caring for into these kind of debates. It is wrong.

Specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab.

I didn't even read this post once I saw who the poster was. He's just a rebel-rouser. His posts are ridiculous.

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