Doctoral degree to become an NP???

Published

The American Association of Colleges of Nursing (AACN) is calling for the requirement of doctorate in nursing for advanced practice nurses, such as nurse practitioners, nurse midwives, clinical nurse specialists, and nurse anesthetists. This new degree will be called a Doctor of Nursing Practice and, if the AACN has its way, will become the entry level for advanced nursing practice.

AACN Position Statement on the Practice Doctorate in Nursing

Specializes in Education, FP, LNC, Forensics, ED, OB.

she is incorrect, flagal14,

one of the points of the "vision statement" is that current msn prepared nps will not be disenfranchised.

american association of colleges of nursing ~ frequently asked questions ~ position statement on the practice doctorate in nursing

Up Vote Up Vote ×
she is incorrect, flagal14,

one of the points of the "vision statement" is that current msn prepared nps will not be disenfranchised.

american association of colleges of nursing ~ frequently asked questions ~ position statement on the practice doctorate in nursing

flagal14, maybe she didn't say it right? if she was right (she isn't) there would be 140,000 nps returning to school. what a mess that would be for faculty and the university. please let us know how she responds to the aacn position statement.

Up Vote Up Vote ×

thanks everyone for your responses - I didn't think she was right but it was so strange for the director of the nursing school, and she's a nurse practitioner herself, to say this. I think she was trying to confuse people so that people will think about getting a DNP rather than a MSN - she said they were working on a BSN to DNP program, and I think that's where she was trying to go with it. But now I feel much better after all your responses...thanks again, you are all awesome:)

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in Education, FP, LNC, Forensics, ED, OB.

You are welcome, FLAga14

Good luck with your program.

Up Vote Up Vote ×

Difference is one more year of study and either MSN or DNP.

(MSN getting 1 year certificate FNP, total 3 years vs.

MSN getting FNP through DNP, total 4 years)

I don't know why people are so fussy about this.

Is there any field that you can get a doctorate for

just one more year after master's degree?

My concern is different. Compared to second degree

PA programs after which you can be FNP-parallel PA-C in just

two years, now DNP-FNP will take THREE to FIVE years post the

first degree. That includes one year of real RN experience.

In real life, who and what will compensate for this extra

experience and work compared to PA-C? That is my question.

If this lon.....g years of study kicks people away in the gate,

it will be a loss to nursing against other health care professions

such as PA, PT, etc. Somebody needs to renovate RN workplace

so people can stay at jobs HAPPY without having to go upward

to NP/APRN to avoid dreaded RN work.

Amitai.

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in ICU, ER, HH, NICU, now FNP.
so people can stay at jobs HAPPY without having to go upward

to NP/APRN to avoid dreaded RN work.

Amitai.

Soooooooooooo not the reason most NP's become NP's. It isn't about getting away from nursing - if anything, it's about being that much deeper in it.

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Difference is one more year of study and either MSN or DNP.

(MSN getting 1 year certificate FNP, total 3 years vs.

MSN getting FNP through DNP, total 4 years)

I don't know why people are so fussy about this.

Is there any field that you can get a doctorate for

just one more year after master's degree?

My concern is different. Compared to second degree

PA programs after which you can be FNP-parallel PA-C in just

two years, now DNP-FNP will take THREE to FIVE years post the

first degree. That includes one year of real RN experience.

In real life, who and what will compensate for this extra

experience and work compared to PA-C? That is my question.

If this lon.....g years of study kicks people away in the gate,

it will be a loss to nursing against other health care professions

such as PA, PT, etc. Somebody needs to renovate RN workplace

so people can stay at jobs HAPPY without having to go upward

to NP/APRN to avoid dreaded RN work.

Amitai.

How about the Pharm D, historically a BS in 5 years changed to a Pharm D in 6 years, or the PT Doc adding one year. The JD is 3 years post Bach. Thus, numerous examples for clinical doctorates in 3 years.

Up Vote Up Vote ×

We already get education enough to make us forget we're not in medical school. Why not do away with nursing all together. All care givers will be doctors, except the CNA's maybe they can slide by with a master's. Ha Ha

I for one hate this concept. For a country with a so called "nursing shortage", this is a step in the wrong direction, though it still seems like a good OPTION for those who would like the extra education.

Up Vote Up Vote ×

Hey I Am just finishing a NP degree, I have heard my insturctors trying to urge us to consider the Doctorial program.

However, there are several problems with the system.........

1). The the current MSN instructors get what amounts to a free ride, while they are getting their PHD or DSN. Since they are the very first "students" to go through the program, they get to make up rules for each other (some say they cut each other a bunch of slack) and have their doctorate in no time. Frankly, they really havent been trained to teach beans. But now they have a doctorate but no ability to teach. Ive noticed that people with poor teaching skills tend to be very difficult to work with. They are usually very insecure, so that if any body asks them a question, they wrongly assume that you are attacking them (personallly) (which is not he cass), they tend to think you are attacking them because they cant answer the question. However, thats not the issue alll. I just what the question answered. The "low selfesteem crowd" tend to use their new found power as way to brow beat you into keeping you mouth shut. (they retain the right to subjectively grade assignments. In addition, they tend to selectively hire there buddies in there little click. (so now when one comes down on you for some minor infraction, they all come out of the woodwork and hassel you. They will go as far as trying to embarrese you infort of your classmates and begin to dedute points from you assighnments. Until you get the point. Your classmates dont want to be racked over the coles either, so they just sit back and watch you get hammered. Privately, they will tell you that the wished they could have helped, but inreality, they know that they will be trashed if they go into a room and try and defened you.

I would not go back to my school for anything. They really had nothing to offer. They would take our money and barate us by treating us like children. I was sick of the program after one semester, but it takes about 6 months to reapply at another school, and then the other school will only transfer a couple of you glasses to your knew progra.

Hope that helps.................Thanks...........

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in Telemetry, ICU, Psych.
Hey I Am just finishing a NP degree, I have heard my insturctors trying to urge us to consider the Doctorial program.

However, there are several problems with the system.........

1). The the current MSN instructors get what amounts to a free ride, while they are getting their PHD or DSN. Since they are the very first "students" to go through the program, they get to make up rules for each other (some say they cut each other a bunch of slack) and have their doctorate in no time. Frankly, they really havent been trained to teach beans. But now they have a doctorate but no ability to teach. Ive noticed that people with poor teaching skills tend to be very difficult to work with. They are usually very insecure, so that if any body asks them a question, they wrongly assume that you are attacking them (personallly) (which is not he cass), they tend to think you are attacking them because they cant answer the question. However, thats not the issue alll. I just what the question answered. The "low selfesteem crowd" tend to use their new found power as way to brow beat you into keeping you mouth shut. (they retain the right to subjectively grade assignments. In addition, they tend to selectively hire there buddies in there little click. (so now when one comes down on you for some minor infraction, they all come out of the woodwork and hassel you. They will go as far as trying to embarrese you infort of your classmates and begin to dedute points from you assighnments. Until you get the point. Your classmates dont want to be racked over the coles either, so they just sit back and watch you get hammered. Privately, they will tell you that the wished they could have helped, but inreality, they know that they will be trashed if they go into a room and try and defened you.

I would not go back to my school for anything. They really had nothing to offer. They would take our money and barate us by treating us like children. I was sick of the program after one semester, but it takes about 6 months to reapply at another school, and then the other school will only transfer a couple of you glasses to your knew progra.

Hope that helps.................Thanks...........

Whoa! had a bad experience, I presume???

Unfortunately, a lot of what you say happens in the ivory towers known as higher education. It sux! Keep your head up and good luck!

CrazyPremed

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in Education, FP, LNC, Forensics, ED, OB.

Hello, More Time and Money and welcome to allnurses.com

I have to agree with CrazyPremed; this happens in programs that are not doctoral. Sorry you've had such a bad experience. Maybe you should consider another program?

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Hello, More Time and Money and welcome to allnurses.com

I have to agree with CrazyPremed; this happens in programs that are not doctoral. Sorry you've had such a bad experience. Maybe you should consider another program?

A better solution may be to complete the doctorate and teach. Too many NP/NP students have unfounded disdain for the Ivory Tower. You hear "those who can, work, those who can't, teach" , if teaching is such a "easy" role why is there such a faculty shortage? I have respect for those willing to teach, especially NP faculty. Their salaries are often lower than than the students who have just gradauted from the program.

Up Vote Up Vote ×
+ Join the Discussion