Doctoral degree to become an NP???

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The American Association of Colleges of Nursing (AACN) is calling for the requirement of doctorate in nursing for advanced practice nurses, such as nurse practitioners, nurse midwives, clinical nurse specialists, and nurse anesthetists. This new degree will be called a Doctor of Nursing Practice and, if the AACN has its way, will become the entry level for advanced nursing practice.

AACN Position Statement on the Practice Doctorate in Nursing

Now ^THIS^ is a strawman. You misrepresent my point and then attack the misrepresented point.

On a different note, if you'd ever used a sledge to break up concrete (which I'm betting you haven't which is why you belabored the point) you'd know just how poor of an instrument it is for breaking concrete and how it takes 10x the effort to do a fraction of the job while at the same time being messier. Next time you see a construction crew doing road work look to see if they are using a sledgehammer or a jackhammer and snap a picture for us. I'll give you a hint, they're gonna be using a jackhammer.

Zenman, I've very recently been to Thailand and while I know their health care is supposed to be very good and their physicians are also supposed to be very good, I am not sure I would risk it at this point. I know many do, and their medical tourism is starting to pick up but I'm not sure I would. Good luck on Friday.

I don't think we're gonna get anywhere just bickering and arguing. Jstand, you can act all you want like your education is the same as a doctor's but quite frankly it is not. You can be jealous all you want but your arguing and mine are not going to change that fact. One day your hubris is going to get the best of you. I hope it doesn't but I'm gonna bet it does. If you even realize that you've made a mistake, please think of me.

That's it for me. I'm gonna take a break from this thread for a while.

I didn't misrepresent anything. I refuted your argument. The jackhammer isn't best for any job either. You have obviously never done any construction work yourself. You have no idea what you are talking about. Road work is heavy construction, they don't use jackhammers, they have heavier equipment than that. So you won't find a jackhammer there. So go try to snap your picture, I'll give you a little hint, you won't see anyone with a jackhammer in their hands. Try again.

I never acted like my education was the same as a doctor's. I also never said that I take care of patients. You should pay closer attention. Maybe that is why your arguments are so ridiculous, because not only do you not understand what you are talking about, you don't even understand what I am talking about. You had best be careful about the stones you throw. You are living in a glass house, you know? Are you trying to say that physicians never make mistakes? I wouldn't be claiming that if I were you.

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A doctor in Bangkok.

I'm a psych NP student and just started my 3rd week with a psychiatrist. He informed me today that Friday he is cutting me loose to practice on my own. Ask me about my anxiety...:redbeathe

So, Zendude, how's your anxiety? :p

Seriously, Good luck! That's a great vote of confidence. He wouldn't do it on his liability if he didn't think you're capable.

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I didn't misrepresent anything. I refuted your argument. The jackhammer isn't best for any job either. You have obviously never done any construction work yourself. You have no idea what you are talking about. Road work is heavy construction, they don't use jackhammers, they have heavier equipment than that. So you won't find a jackhammer there. So go try to snap your picture, I'll give you a little hint, you won't see anyone with a jackhammer in their hands. Try again.

I never acted like my education was the same as a doctor's. I also never said that I take care of patients. You should pay closer attention. Maybe that is why your arguments are so ridiculous, because not only do you not understand what you are talking about, you don't even understand what I am talking about. You had best be careful about the stones you throw. You are living in a glass house, you know? Are you trying to say that physicians never make mistakes? I wouldn't be claiming that if I were you.

You say you're not misrepresenting anything but then go on to suggest that wowza said physicians never make mistakes (which he never said at all). It's hard to take you seriously when you make so many strawman arguments.

To be fair, while I don't know much about roadwork, I have seen several workers with jackhammers whenever I've driven on this one highway that's undergoing construction. I don't know how rare that is or anything, but never say never.

When you argue that lesser education is just as fine as more education, you are basically saying that the lesser education = more education. In this case, you're essentially saying that midlevel education = physician education. That's what wowza is talking about. And if you think about it, that really is what you and a few others are suggesting. That midlevels = physicians, especially in a hard specialty such as primary care. It's fair to assume that you're a midlevel when you pretty much post in every single midlevel thread defending midlevels. I don't see why you're snapping at wowza for thinking so. You assumed I was a med student or physician before but I'm not. I didn't tell you that you had no clue what you're talking about since you couldn't even figure that out like you've said to wowza.

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You say you're not misrepresenting anything but then go on to suggest that wowza said physicians never make mistakes (which he never said at all). It's hard to take you seriously when you make so many strawman arguments.

To be fair, while I don't know much about roadwork, I have seen several workers with jackhammers whenever I've driven on this one highway that's undergoing construction. I don't know how rare that is or anything, but never say never.

When you argue that lesser education is just as fine as more education, you are basically saying that the lesser education = more education. In this case, you're essentially saying that midlevel education = physician education. That's what wowza is talking about. And if you think about it, that really is what you and a few others are suggesting. That midlevels = physicians, especially in a hard specialty such as primary care. It's fair to assume that you're a midlevel when you pretty much post in every single midlevel thread defending midlevels. I don't see why you're snapping at wowza for thinking so. You assumed I was a med student or physician before but I'm not. I didn't tell you that you had no clue what you're talking about since you couldn't even figure that out like you've said to wowza.

I'm not misrepresenting anything. You and wowza both imply that only nurse practitioners make mistakes due to the fact that they don't go through the training that physicians do. How else would one interperet the dire warnings about independent practice for nurse practitioners. You imply that physicians, because of their superlative education, do not make mistakes. You also imply that nurse practitioners, because of their alleged deficient education, will do nothing but make mistakes when allowed to practice independently. As I have told you before, you have never produced any evidence of this. Also there are plenty of states where nurse practitioners already do practice independently. If it were anywhere nearly as dangerous as you say, I would think that you would at least be able to produce some evidence to support your opinion. Since you have been unable to prove that, why don't you just give it a rest?

I never assumed you were a physician, I assumed you were a medical student. You also "snapped" at me just as you have accused me of doing to wowza when I made that assumption. I also never said anything was equal or unequal, you are the one trying to make that argument. I said nurse practitioners are capable of practicing independently. You have never proven anything to the contrary despite all of your rants that close the threads down.

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I don't believe that NPs should practice independently. We are not trained as well as physicians and definitely need the oversight. Are you an NP? How can you possibly speak about that which you have no idea? I've practiced in this arena for > 13yrs and can tell you that we, NPs, are nowhere near the training of a physician. I would never strike out on my own, because my patients deserve better.

As far as mistakes being made, I have seen both physician and np make them but due to the extensive training of physicians, those mistakes or oversights are drastically reduced.

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So, Zendude, how's your anxiety? :p

Seriously, Good luck! That's a great vote of confidence. He wouldn't do it on his liability if he didn't think you're capable.

I'd say it's way up there...:up:

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Okay, despite repeated attempts by staff to keep this thread on target, it has taken on a life of its own.

Personally, I am so disappointed that fellow APNs have behaved so childishly and continue to snipe at each other.

This thread is now closed.

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Personally, I am so disappointed that fellow APNs have behaved so childishly and continue to snipe at each other.

.............and, Physician colleagues, too...........

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