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Don't we all practice healthcare? Isn't the desired outcome improved health?

Why the lol with USUHS? I didnt graduate from there but have heard good things about program.

Juan,yes thank you for adding clarity , BSN to DNP/FNP . My interest is in which of these programs do not have a specific nursing theories course, I understand the need of a theory and conceptual framework. Which programs are not requiring a nursing theory course.

Exactly what information I am looking for, thanks. Although the topic is DNP the idea is applicable to graduate nursing education for NPs, what theory or theories are needed for NP education at the graduate level?

agree, my intention for the 4th response on the poll was both. I wil try and change thanks

Do/Didyou have a Nursing theory course for your BSN to DNP/FNP program. I am seeking facts, not complaints. Which BSN to DNP/FNP programs do not require a "Nursing" Theory course? If you had a general required theory course that included some nursing that is important to know. I believe the time has arrived where the BSN to DNP/FNP is not required to have a nursing theory course, but a conceptual framework course that includes all types of frameworks that allow students to move forward on their evidenced based practice projects.

Goingfor your DNP will help if you select a program that will allow you tospecialize in an area. For example if derm is where you want to work, if youwere to focus on dermatology during your DNP completion program you would bemore marketable. Having an additional 500 hours of focus in Derm will help you stand out over other applicants without the dermatology experience.

I think there is also confusion when people "assume" all programs use practice hours to meet the 1000 hours. Many programs have 1000 plus clinical hours with another 2-3 hundred practice hours. The intent of the DNP was to have 1000 clinical hours a "clinical doctorate" I think you are discussing a MSN/FNP to a DNP versus a BSN to a DNP/FNP. In that case of a MSN/FNP to a DNP they have been in practice for several years, do they need clinical hours, I dont think so. They need practice hours

The onlyway to make this argument is to compare students who have a degree (BS or MS)in another field who are in a BSN program. My hypothesis would be the studentswith a degree in another field in a BSN program would outperform the studentsin the AD program. My understanding is that DNP fnp programs require 1000 hours of clinical, a MS fnp program requires 500 Adding a residency wouldbe great, who pays? If the same residency as MDs were available we would havevalid option supported by our tax dollars

As astaff nurse 30 years ago I also used the most current information. Additionaleducation (biostats and EBP) allowed me to understand the difference between avalid EBP study and those that were not. There are a plethora of studies supporting the BSN with improved incomes(magnet hospitals). The DNP is relatively new and the studies will be coming. Isuspect as with most other professional, when you increase the level ofeducation you get a better product. I do agree garbage in will often result ingarbage out as in any educational pursuit. I do not agree that when you take acapable motivated nurse that the educational level makes no difference, the greaterthe exposure the greater the potential.

I am notaware of "one" DNP program for nurse educators. Can you pleaseidentify one as I have several colleagues who would be interested. They may not pay you more for the DNP , but they may not reimburse you unless you have a DNP. Reflect back to 1992 when the MS became the standard that was used for reimbursement by first the Feds and followed by private insurers.

Thefurther we dig, the deeper the hole! The FNP director is adjunct with a fulltime position in Louisiana as the director of a NP program. The DNP director isadjunct. Thus, the faculty "list" is impressive but that is all, thedirectors of the NP and DNP are adjunct faculty with full time positions elsewhere.Which faculty actually coordinates the program? Which faculty are invested in theNP curriculum/students? Juan, most program frown on additional faculty positions outside their own university, especially when a conflict of interest. I would think having two additional adjunct positions, one of which is a director of a FNP program at another university is a problem. Doing the same job for another university is often a conflict of interest, being a NP program director for two different programs with different curriculums, big problems.

Markyour previous comment "I cantell you that one of the professors I spoke with has her DNP from the LouisianaState University, She is a tenured professor at Tulane University, an adjunctprofessor at Loyola of New Orleans, and an adjunct professor and WaldenUniversity. Or was this a rhetorical question that you were try to stump me on,or make me appear foolish? I didn't think to ask any of them what they feltlike the curriculum strong points were. My question to all was, "in yourexperience, how do you feel that Walden University's curriculum compares toother schools". The for mentioned professor told me that if she didn'tthink that the curriculum was up to par she would not at all, be associatedwith the university." Now you say she is not a NP or does she teach any specialty courses and yetshe feels that Walden's curriculum compares to other schools. In addition,you suggest Walden is the only option you have as you are rural. You also say "I don't have the option to go to a"better" university". I strongly disagree. there arebetter online programs, more established and with quality faculty. Someprograms require a week on campus per semester, others have differentexpectations. The point is that as there are "weak" online programas well as weak brick and motor. I also agree with the garbage in garbage out philosophy.I do not agree with your statement "I also contend that the quality of nurse, or nurse practitioner is not aproduct of the school they attend, but more so of the drive and desire tosucceed based on their own principals and internal fortitude "The same philosophy exists for schools, inmy 25 years' experience, the best prepared NPs have the drive, desire, intelligencealong with attending an institution that will hone those skills with acurriculum that challenges and prepares them to be a healthcare provider.

I tried to check out the salary website, the link does not work. I found the website and used nursing to refine search, did not find the same results. The work load of the prof you refer to with a DNP appears heavy? A tenured prof at Tulane (unusual for a DNP education), and adjunct at two additional universities ( I am thinking as an adjunct she is teaching at least one course at each?)

Non profit schools with department chairs making millions of dollars? My only question is where!