Do You Want Universal Healthcare?

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I know this topic has been discussed before on this site..but, I was curious for an updated response. How many of you would be willing to pay more taxes for universal healthcare? I find it egregious that the US has put a cost on maintaining/saving ones life! I traveled to Europe and the thought of them having to bring their checkbook to the hospital aroused literal laughs. It's the same notion that we'd have to whip out our debit card to firefighters before they turned the hoses on our burning homes. It's sad. I think the overall costs of UH would be beneficial...in fact, the raised taxes would still probably be lower than our rising premiums every 2 weeks! Thoughts?

oh god t my gp has always known me go to the UK

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Oh right I am going to be the school teacher here can you all go back and check your answers, some of you will realise how selfish you are being and also a socal system will help you as well

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Couldn't agree with you more. I am always saying we are either going to pay on the front end or the back end and the back end always cost more. Universal health care is just being smart with our resources and we get the added benefit of doing the right thing at the same time.

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Honestly, after reading through several of these posts, I can't see where anyone is saying to deny medical care to anyone. I believe what everyone is saying make it fair. The elderly population who worked and paid into social security system have to choose to eat or pay for medication. Many have to choose to forget about both. They can't get medicaid and the Medicare D program is really not that helpful. It actually has caused more problems for the elderly. It is heartbreaking to see pts who have suffered from a CVA because they couldn't afford their meds. Everyone on this thread believes we should care for every individual, not just the indigent pts. After a two week hospitalization we all could be the indigent pt and in a short time will we all be the elderly pt. My point is there should be a way for every individual to get equal opportunity to healthcare not that we should be heartless and tell the indigent pt to "kiss off" I do not believe anyone else is saying to deny healthcare. Make it fair that's all.

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I see you are all about fairness and that is the point. Should everyone pay the same rate for universal healthcare? After all that is fare. If you decry that people are having to choose between food and medicine because they are on social security, then why create another government entitlement program after seeing the vast devistation caused by the current system.

Who is denied access to health care???

No one is being heartless. It's always easy to be compassionate when someone else is footing the bill. When they take a $1,000 a month from your check to pay for everyone that is unwilling to pay I want to hear all about your compassion.

If I find a homeless man on the street and I offer him $50 and someone offers him some compasion and sympathy who do you think he is going to thank first. Indigent patients qualify for medicaid, subsidized housing food stamps and the myriad of other failed programs. What you call heartless and cruel we call tough love. Being a compassionate enabler is easy. Making the tough choices in life so someone can provide for themselves takes real courage.

Honestly, after reading through several of these posts, I can't see where anyone is saying to deny medical care to anyone. I believe what everyone is saying make it fair. The elderly population who worked and paid into social security system have to choose to eat or pay for medication. Many have to choose to forget about both. They can't get medicaid and the Medicare D program is really not that helpful. It actually has caused more problems for the elderly. It is heartbreaking to see pts who have suffered from a CVA because they couldn't afford their meds. Everyone on this thread believes we should care for every individual, not just the indigent pts. After a two week hospitalization we all could be the indigent pt and in a short time will we all be the elderly pt. My point is there should be a way for every individual to get equal opportunity to healthcare not that we should be heartless and tell the indigent pt to "kiss off" I do not believe anyone else is saying to deny healthcare. Make it fair that's all.
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Is it fail to fund public schools or funding failing public schools $22,000 per student per year in DC with a 50% dropout rate. Vouchers would work better. All these programs you mention give a hand up not a hand out. Give a person money to sit at home and watch Oprah and guess what they are not going to do.

Go to public funded schools

Go to public funded colleges

Join the military and qualify for the G.I. Bill

And they certainly are not going to get a job in the health care field.

Let's look at how much it costs taxpayers when students decide not to ay those student loans and default on them. Of course it will be called predatory student lending.

http://www.studentloanfacts.org/news/budget.htm

You would not be where you are today if other taxpayers had decided to:

1. Fail to fund public schools.

2. Fail to fund college financial aid programs stafford loans, grants, direct subsidy of college costs

3. Failed to subsidize the GI bill

4. Failed to subsidize teaching programs at hospitals for health care students.

The point is that each of these efforts by taxpayers were undertaken to help individuals succeed because it helps society as a whole to succeed at a higher level.

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All these poeple, especially the republicans keep saying they don't want to pay more taxes..

Taxpayers Pay for Wal-Mart's "Low Road"

That is just an example of how, repople like CRNA, don't want to pay taxes to fund someone's health care bhut have absolutely no problem in using taxes to give subsidies to corporations that need absolutely no money or help whatsoever.

I won't even get into the 100s of millions of dollars in subsidies and tax credits that go to oil companies that continue to post record high profits even with the cost of oil rising.

CRNA thinks it's ok to withhold funding for healthcare but ok to fund multinational companies that don't need the money...

This republican hypocrisy is what put us in our bad position in the first place. When are they going to learn...

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Specializes in ICU/Critical Care.

Did the oil companies just post an outrageous profit recently?

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Did the oil companies just post an outrageous profit recently?

Exxon Mobil Corp. reported second-quarter earnings of $11.68 billion Thursday, the biggest profit from operations ever by any U.S. corporation

Europe's Royal Dutch Shell reported a 33 percent jump in second-quarter earnings to $11.6 billion...

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all these poeple, especially the republicans keep saying they don't want to pay more taxes..

oil rising...crna thinks it's ok to withhold funding for healthcare but ok to fund multinational companies that don't need the money...

this republican hypocrisy is what put us in our bad position in the first place. when are they going to learn...

color emphasis mine.

can you direct me to the portion of crna's post stating this position? i must have missed it.

the truth is that all taxpayers, liberal, conservative and everyone in between, find millions of our tax dollars being spent on all kinds of things we don't approve of. we don't have a line-item veto. we don't typically have honesty and transparency in candidates, either. so we vote someone into office who we believe will support our spending beliefs, only to find them turn tail when they are sworn in. the only control we taxpayers have over spending is to vote politicians out of office.

in every uhc discussion, viking asserts that everyone in america benefits from taxpayer funded support for something. to a point, that is true. apparently, it matters not to this argument that many of us pay dearly in taxes to support these programs, (as did our great grandparents, grandparents, parents) do not desire or request this funding, and would do just fine without it. but we have no control. regardless of our desires, protests, and even some attempts to "opt out" of taxpayer support, we are powerless to direct that money elsewhere. what we can do, and must do, as responsible taxpayers is to prevent the creation of additional, overwhelmingly expensive programs that show no evidence of improving upon or generating savings over the admittedly imperfect options that already exist.

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We do have control. We have the vote. If people voted wisely. If they gave the 'bad' politicians the boot. If they didn't continuously vote in people like Bush and other politicians repeatedly maybe the politicians would get the message.

That doesn't happen though. It's rare that people vote on what a politician says. Almost always a vote is based on his 'values.' They vote on his personality.

Of course I could be wrong. The conservatives could have voted on Bush's platform. I can't really believe they were all that foolish. I really can't believe they thought he was the best candidate in any area other than personality or religious preference.

You propose holding off fixing something that NEEDS to be fixed solely because other programs have not been successful. A lot of things aren't successful. How about getting rid of those while fixing health care. McCain proposes keeping troops in a war that's broken. How is that acceptable to you but fixing a broken system isn't.

I do believe CRNA has hit it on the head. People 'don't' want to pay for other people he could care less about. Countrymen or not. He's all about himself. That pretty much sums it up...

Can you deny that at all... You could but it wouldn't be the truth...

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all these poeple, especially the republicans keep saying they don't want to pay more taxes..

sorry. i hit the "thanks" button by mistake.

again, just to clarify, i am neither republican nor democrat. but i assume that you are throwing conservatives under this bus as well.

stanley, if you want to pay more in taxes, please feel free to do so. but don't anyone tell me that the more than $70,000 i paid to the feds last year is not enough.

find a way to use that money to provide healthcare to anyone and everyone who needs it, and you will have my undying respect. but don't tell me that i am not paying enough. you're darn right i "don't want to pay more taxes."

btw, may i suggest the thread in the nursing news section about the multi-million dollar fraud perpetuated upon the medicare system in areas of florida? that may be a good place to start looking for dollars that could be spent on real healthcare for real people, rather than telling overwhelmed taxpayers that they're selfish, uncaring, and not paying enough! and please don't post any graphics about how "efficient" medicare is. i'd be laughing too hard to read them.

https://allnurses.com/forums/f195/nurse-takes-down-phony-equipment-dealers-324161.html

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami-dade/story/628285.html

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