Do Nurses Eat Their Young?

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We have all heard the saying "Nurses eat their young". Do you feel this is true?

Please feel free to read and post any comments that you have right here in this discussion

Thanks.

This article sums it up for me... ?

http://www.dcardillo.com/articles/eatyoung.html

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This vile expression implies that experienced nurses do not treat new nurses kindly. My first problem with the statement is that it’s a generalization implying that all nurses are like that. Interestingly, whenever I hear someone utter the expression, I always say, “I don’t do that. Do you?” The person making the statement always says, “Oh no, I don’t, but many others do.” I’ve never heard even one nurse own up to doing this, although some nurses are willing to indict the entire profession. Every time that statement is repeated, it causes harm and casts a dark shadow on every nurse. Say anything enough, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Please note that by moderator consensus some of the "Nurses Eat Their Young" posts will be referred to this thread where there can be an ongoing discussion, rather than several threads saying the same thing.

To students and new grads that are having problems with nurses, please take a moment to read the above link. Is it really the entire profession, every single nurse, or do you need help with one or a few nurses? We will be glad to help you in dealing with those people, but let bury the phrase "Nurses Eat Their Young".

To experienced nurses who claim our profession eats it's young, please take a moment to read it as well and think about it. Also take time to teach, be friendly and nurturing to the new nurse and students on your unit.

TOTALLY agree with your post, Arial! :)

So many nurses get sucked into the cliquish, passive aggressive dysfunction that seems rampant in our profession.

I, like you, have managed to stay above it and have tried to use the golden rule in my dealings with others, which includes my coworkers. I have found myself as a leader of sorts and a mentor for those younger nurses who think similarly, but often find myself at odds and even attacked by the members of 'the clique'when I don't fall in line....:( It's OK, I can handle them, but it is a strange phenom, isn't it?

I strive to be particularly kind and encouraging to students and new grads, as much as I can be depending on the total situation. Direct, honest communication is always best in my book too but many nurses do not appreciate this style, do they?....LOL!

Nurses do eat their young and not just new grads, it never stops. When moving from one field to another it happens. The PHD has contempt for the MSN, the MSN has contempt for the BSN, the BSN contempt for the ADN. the ADN contempt for the LPN. If you don't think this is true then you either need a reality check or are an exception to the rule.

Specializes in ER, ICU, L&D, OR.

Howdy Yall

From deep in the heart of Texas

You always hear dsicussions periodically about nurses eating their young. But Ive never heard anyone discuss how they are best prepared. Are they better with Ketchup, or mustard, or salt and pepper, or relish.

Ive always favored jalapeno mustard myself, any body else have any other culinary insights to this problem.

Keep it in the short grass yall

teeituptom

Speaking of feedback, how about a little POSITIVE reinforcement for new ( and not so new) nurses? When I was new just two years ago, I kept asking my preceptor, "When am I going to find out if I'm doing all right?" Her reply was , "Don't worry, it's GOOD if you DON'T hear anything! That means you're doing things right!"

I know even new grads do 100 RIGHT things for every one wrong thing. Do they ever get one compliment on their nursing abilities?

Personally, I was ready to quit the profession after a particularly horrendous shift last week. I was awake all night stressing about it. Then I got a call this morning from the nursing office. It seems I need to stop by to pick up some kind of award I've won because of the many appreciative letters written about me by families of my patients. I wept. I needed that call more than they'll ever know!

Specializes in Hospice/Homehealth/Homecare.

Let's face it, we DO eat our young, our old, our middleaged, our male nurses, our female nurses and anyone else. It is the one thing that I have about nursing. I have never been involved in a profession where more backstabbing, selfserving, cut-throat attitude more than nursing. Experienced nurses treat the new grads like peons, New grads treat the experienced nurses like they know everything. With everything we're taught about ethics and legality, we're supposed to "rat" anyone who toes the line and bends the rules. In a day and age where we are working short, working overtime (much of it mandated) and with all the cutbacks from our "beloved" federal government, we should be banding together and supporting eachother and trying to attract new nurses to the field to take the pressure off us. And those who are just getting out of school should respect the experience and battlescars of those of us who have been around a while. Does this sound sickeningly sentitmental? Of course it does!!! But I'm sick and tired of having to constantly fight over pecking order with everyone I work with. That is why I now work in a primary practice where I don't have to deal with the constant backstabbing.

yes we eat our young, our old, our middle age and our own.

our profession has been allowed to critisize and hang one another out to dry for far too long. what ever happened to the "sisterhood" of the profession? i'll tell you what has happened to it......attitudes. instead of love thy neighbor, now it's love thy neighbor's wife. instead of leisurely weekends it's work your behind off so you can keep things going during the week. we have all developed the attitude of self. we have forgotten why we really starting in nursing and where we came from. you don't get into nursing for the money or the handsome doctors because neither will be there when you retire! we need to start sharing this profession with people, let them know the good in us. god knows the media takes care of the bad. i never realized how inconsiderate and self absorbed we as nurses can be until i started research to start my organization. can we ever regurgitate our young and start over?:rolleyes:

Time for my 2 cents.

Nurse to nurse rivalry, shift to shift, unit to unit, floor RN to Supervisor. We ARE a competitive bunch.

I've worked 6 years at my current hospital. I transferred to a newly opened Unit, which was being changed from an In Hospital Skilled Nursing Unit to a Med-Surg, caring for lap surgeries, 23 hour observation patients, GYN, Turp, etc....

Most of the staff is comprised of the now displaced Skilled Nursing RNs/LPNs/CNAs and myself... the lone Med-Surg Nurse, completely in my element. I quickly learned that it truly wasn't "ME" being attacked whenever I would come up against another RN questioning my "authority" to comment about proper procedures (apparently there is a BIG difference between Skilled Nursing and Acute Care regulations). Rather, it was insecurity showing it's ugly head, because these RNs were abruptly taken out of their element and placed in a setting they had become unfamiliar with. Nevertheless, it made for a very uncomfortable workplace for me and, I'm sure, for everyone else... as I witnessed similar behavior towards other newcomers to this Unit.

My initial response was to clam up, take the verbal reprimands and talking behind my back, rather than stand up for myself. But it was short lived because I KNEW I had the experience and was in a position to teach my co-workers the new ropes they had been assigned with. Yes, it compounded the situation... but only at first. As I've continued to walk the talk, and provide the very best for my patients, those RNs who were "on the fence" so to speak, have gradually come around and .... we're becoming a TEAM. I can't tell you how GOOD it feels to go to work knowing that the majority of those you work with have the same agenda... Quality patient care.

So, to those of you who find yourselves in the unenviable situation of working with people who dig their heels in against change... people who spend their shift grumbling and bemoaning the injustices they believe are heaped only upon them... people who are just plain unpleasant to be around, take heart. You can exact change... it takes time though. And a lot of patience.

When Nurses become aggressively competitive with each other there are no winners... and the majority of the losers are our Patients.

Peace

I don't know where this saying originated, but it's time to ditch it. When a new nurse arrives in your care setting, you are bound by your facility's policies to orient him/her to the job. Since all of us are perfectionists,:) we will try to teach them to be the best nurse they can be. If this involves constructive criticism, it cannot necessarily be termed as "eating our young." Remember when you started, and that old @#$$^&* gal taught you--you may not have liked the approach, but would you thank her now for teaching you the right way? I think so! Since we don't get very many new nurses these days, don't they need to be "molded" to perform at a top-notch level? Doesn't everyone want to perform at a top-notch level?

no, unfortunately.....they don't.....

how do you change this.....some can be changed, but some will always be this way.........

I can only be the best nurse and person that I can be..........i am responsible for myself.....and if i can by being me affectuate a change then i will, but my first priority for me on my shift is my nursing ability, supporting the teamwork of the unit/etc and my patients.........try hard to be the three monkeys when it comes to all the mindgames that go on out there.........

thx for listening to my reply:cool: :eek: :p

LuAnn - I TOTALLY agree with you ! Even the old rags I worked with as a new grad taught me SO MUCH !

And so I've learned how to take a gentle approach when orientating new grads/students, etc. But I DO get put off real quick when some newbie comes along straight out of school and acts like they don't need help. As if they know everything.

They are the ones who learn by making mistakes, med errors and filing out incident reports.

Specializes in PACU/Cardiac/Nrsg. Mgmt./M/S.

do nurses eat their young?

yep....and anything else in their way! :devil:

Wow - that's all I have to say. WOW!

Yes, we have all been there. Hopefully not doing just that. Walking away works when your other coworkers are "backstabbing" someone. If you fight it, you become a "stabbie";if you go with it, you are a "stabber". Just walk away. It may not be a huge statement, but people notice that you are never one of the "stabbers", and that you can be trusted. The reason they are that way is just the environment that we work in. We get little respect from the doctors and tend to think that being "that way" will make you feel better about yourself. We are overworked and underpaid (most of US). And our benefit compensations get smaller and smaller.

Yes, we are all NURSES! And each and every one of us was once new.

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