Do Nurses Eat Their Young?

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We have all heard the saying "Nurses eat their young". Do you feel this is true?

Please feel free to read and post any comments that you have right here in this discussion

Thanks.

This article sums it up for me... ?

http://www.dcardillo.com/articles/eatyoung.html

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This vile expression implies that experienced nurses do not treat new nurses kindly. My first problem with the statement is that it’s a generalization implying that all nurses are like that. Interestingly, whenever I hear someone utter the expression, I always say, “I don’t do that. Do you?” The person making the statement always says, “Oh no, I don’t, but many others do.” I’ve never heard even one nurse own up to doing this, although some nurses are willing to indict the entire profession. Every time that statement is repeated, it causes harm and casts a dark shadow on every nurse. Say anything enough, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Please note that by moderator consensus some of the "Nurses Eat Their Young" posts will be referred to this thread where there can be an ongoing discussion, rather than several threads saying the same thing.

To students and new grads that are having problems with nurses, please take a moment to read the above link. Is it really the entire profession, every single nurse, or do you need help with one or a few nurses? We will be glad to help you in dealing with those people, but let bury the phrase "Nurses Eat Their Young".

To experienced nurses who claim our profession eats it's young, please take a moment to read it as well and think about it. Also take time to teach, be friendly and nurturing to the new nurse and students on your unit.

Lisa, you make a good point about young nurses needing a thicker skin. This is not a profession for sissies, for sure...

We go into this profession to help others, and we find a difficult environment with many unsupportive people to deal with....we toughen up fast or don't survive.

It's a jungle out there...LOL! ;)

I've eaten alot of strange things, but never my young? This is an odd statement.rrrrrr:confused:

As we can see from this discussion, this is an accurate observation on our profession. I think the reasons are varied though and difficult to analyze. I have experienced this behavior too. I agree that dr's certainly don't treat each other this way!! Maybe nurses are dumb to their actions but we need to be organized and supportive, especially in these difficult days! I think we are sometimes insecure in our enviroment and this "feeding behavior" is some sort of security??? All I know for certain is this is only making our careers, reputations, and lives, more difficult when we need to be supportive and in solidarity. Please think about your behavior with new nurses, either new to the unit or new grads. I know it can be difficult to "break in" a new nurse and do your work too. Just try to take a minute and think things through before you react. We MUST start to make positive changes for our future!

As one of my nursing instructors once said "S--t runs downhill"

When I started nursing school a zillion years ago, even then our instructors were warning us about this old,but true mantra. If there wasn't a grain of truth to it, then it wouldn't be so upsetting to all of us. Like all new grads, I didn't know what I didn't know until my first "real" job, and had my share of the burnt out, older, crabby nurses who had forgotten what it was like to be just starting out. Fortunately, and I thank God for this, there were several wonderful experienced nurses who welcomed our new group to the unit and forgave us for being young and dumb. Since that time I have always tried to remember that and treat my orientees with calmness and grace and not be remembered as an old grouchy nurse that snacked on the new people for lunch. I know were all tired, busy and worn out, but remembering the golden rule never hurt anybody.

YES! And I'm an "old new" nurse. I am NOT inexperienced in the "real world", having raised four children before going back to school to become a nurse. I've worked at other jobs and have never been bullied in this manner. I have a naturally quiet nature and an unnaturally soft voice which makes them really seem to go after me. I have a friend from nursing school who has a delightful Goldie Hawn type of personality. She seems ditzy but in reality was a straight A student with a heart of gold. She lasted 3 weeks in a hospital and now works nights in a nursing home "hiding out." What a waste of talent!

Nurses run the nursing schools, and even though we need nurses desperately, there is no nurturing at that level. When I got breast cancer during my second year and had to take a quarter off for chemo and radiation, all I got from them was "you'll have to go back to the beginning of the (2 year) waiting list to get back in." I cried more over that than I did over my diagnosis. The only sympathy I got was from my little Goldie friend who told me tearfully, "If you lose your hair, I'll shave my head!" (remember, this nurse is not available in hospitals; she's been run out.)

It seems to be worst during report. When I was new 2 years ago the others seemed to take a sadistic delight in spewing forth terms I didn't understand, using acronyms even they didn't understand. I had the last laugh many times by asking "what's THAT mean?" only to find out the bully wasn't sure. Ha!

Two years into the game, I still dread giving and getting report, but I'm learning. One nurse spoke so fast I couldn't write it down. After asking her three times to please slow down, I finally got up, saying, "this report is useless to me."

I went out into the hallways to find a young nurse in tears because of that same nurse's bullying. She quit the next week, and guess what? The hospital is calling all the time crying about how short handed they are. What a surprise!

I agree that we not only eat our young...but our peers and elders. In my career I have seen new nurses ignored, tricked, and made fun of. I am embarrassed for the behavior of so many. Those that stand around and complain of being "short staffed" are the same ones that will say right in front of a new orientee that "I don't have time to train anyone and I am not going to do it". Consequently the new ones are uncomfortable and sometimes leave on break and never return. I remember how insecure I felt as a new grad and thank goodness I had a mentor who was patient, kind, and had a sense of humor. I do not think that many nurses are helping with the shortage. Yes- we as a whole do eat our young...and those individuals should be ashamed of themselves.

Specializes in ED, MED-SERG, CCU, ICU, IPR.

Nurses kill their own and eat thier young.

Very true.

I wore my nursing cap in to work last week.

I was torn apart by my co-workers.

Point made.

MicheleRN

Originally posted by NancyRN

lasted 3 weeks in a hospital and now works nights in a nursing home "hiding out." What a waste of talent!

JEEZ! Nurses eat their young AND nurses "go on the lamb ?" Why should nurses for forced to be lambsters?

My first week in a hospital has been very good to me. I had a great mentor for 4 days.

For my view, the only strange amd "ungood" feeling I picked up was from 2/23 male staff I ran into, which, through non-verbal communication. expressed anti-mario, external cellular forces.

All apologies:o go on the lamb

Specializes in CV-ICU.

While reading through this thread, I thought of something that I was told of many years ago: the State Board of Medicine was formed to protect the doctors from wrongful charges against them; and the State Board of Nursing was developed to protect the PUBLIC from the NURSES!!!!! I just did a random check of several state boards of both medicine and nursing, and while the wording about protecting the public from the nurses is still there, the wording on the several State Boards of Medicine that I found now matches the language on the SBONs'! So I'm wondering if doctors won't start eating their young in the very near future?

So, when even the State Boards of Nursing started out "protecting the public" from bad nurses, doesn't it make you wonder WHY more of us aren't even more paranoid and eating our young? :eek:

Mario, have you been watching too much Animal Planet programing lately? ;)

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What surprises me is the awareness of the problem but the inability for us to solve the problem. It sounds like most of us are the sort that wouldn't "eat our young" and want to unite together. So why is there so many that eat their young? I had the same problem when I started. Two very large "nurses" had tormented me, but I hung in there. After I had been there over 1 year, they had left, leaving me relieved. And have had very few problems since.

I used to think the ANA was for us like the AMA was for Doctors, Boy was I misled. So in all honesty, where is our support groups? Just our family and friends? Most of the time that works, but there are many times that you need professional help or even legal support. The hospital will support you only so far.

So as Nurses, we need to stick together, value and respect our differences for that is each and every persons beauty. It's OK not to agree, but realize that the back biting behavior is from a volitile and stressful environment and it takes a few restrained nurses to teach the "new nurses" that they aren't all bad news.

So what's the answer....uhmm?

Since it's not going to go away(there are A-holes in every profession) we should be talking about how we have been successful in overcoming its mortality rate shouldn't we?

Has anybody been successful in dealing with this besides just "riding it out" untill one of you leaves?

I have found that embarassing the egomaniac by exposing their ignorance of actual medical knowledge has been very effective for me.

Anybody else?

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