DNP seems like a waste...

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Anyone else think the powers that be wasted a great opportunity with the DNP recommended curriculum? I seems to be mainly research focused, with little (if any) advanced clinical knowledge. What's the point? It would have been a wonderful way to increase the anemic clinical hours in NP programs (from 600ish to a more respectable 1500+). Thoughts?

Specializes in Anesthesia.
We all had more than enough EBM in our masters. There are better things to teach in the DNP than MORE EBM.

I will respectfully disagree on the simple fact alone that if we were taught enough EBP/EBM in our Masters programs then it shouldn't take nearly 17 years to bring research to practice.

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Specializes in Anesthesia, Pain, Emergency Medicine.

Sorry, your argument makes no sense.

I've been using EBM in my practice for 23 years. I would assume most other CRNAs are as well. I KNOW the CRNAs trained in my program use it.

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
Sorry, your argument makes no sense.

I've been using EBM in my practice for 23 years. I would assume most other CRNAs are as well. I KNOW the CRNAs trained in my program use it.

Most providers still practice the way they were taught and usually only forced change or departmental changes will have any effect on their practices. This is consistent with current research findings.

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Specializes in Anesthesia, Pain, Emergency Medicine.

Sad, if true

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Specializes in Reproductive & Public Health.
Most providers still practice the way they were taught and usually only forced change or departmental changes will have any effect on their practices. This is consistent with current research findings.

Yup, this is true in all fields of health care. We all like to think our practice is evidence based, but the reality, is a lot of what we do, we do because. . . . that's just how we do it! lol.

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After looking at the path I'd like to pursue down the road and having the main university where I'll be living offer solely DNP I too am wondering what to do. Most of the NP's I know have their master's and one for certain after only 3 months out of school is making $140k. Sounds good enough to me. If I wanted to be a "Doctor" I'd of been sending out apps to Med schools. I think I'll try and beat the cut off and get in before a DNP is required, we'll see.

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Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.

For me it's not about being a "doctor". I want a terminal degree in my field just as my husband has one in pharmacy.

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
After looking at the path I'd like to pursue down the road and having the main university where I'll be living offer solely DNP I too am wondering what to do. Most of the NP's I know have their master's and one for certain after only 3 months out of school is making $140k. Sounds good enough to me. If I wanted to be a "Doctor" I'd of been sending out apps to Med schools. I think I'll try and beat the cut off and get in before a DNP is required, we'll see.

1. There is no mandatory requirement for a DNP for NPs. The DNP is recommendation only at this point for NPs.

Before deciding what is "enough" of a degree maybe you should read more about the DNP and what the AACN hopes it will do for nurses. American Association of Colleges of Nursing | DNP Fact Sheet

FYI: The national average salaries for NPs is 95K. Nurse Practitioner Salary | Salary.com

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Specializes in cardiac, ICU, education.
Florence Nightingale did this by making the nursing profession subservient to physicians and nearly completely closing the nursing profession to males for several decades.

This was only true of her in the beginning, and remember, she is the one individual who turned nursing into a profession. When she started, nursing was nothing more than a job for recovering prostitutes and alcoholics. She did not believe that women could become educated the way men did (as she has advanced training even as a child) because of her early exposure to "nurses" in her career.

Actually, FN was the first woman to truly push back against doctors and wanted nurses involved in a patient's care no matter the costs (First woman nurse at the bedside in army hospitals). Furthermore, she is one of the founders of EPB. Her work with the Rose diagram/Polar area graph is ground breaking. I think that FN would not only welcome the amount of clinical instruction in dnp programs, but would be at the forefront of EBP that DNP programs have identified as a requirement for the advancement of nursing practice.

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
This was only true of her in the beginning, and remember, she is the one individual who turned nursing into a profession. When she started, nursing was nothing more than a job for recovering prostitutes and alcoholics. She did not believe that women could become educated the way men did (as she has advanced training even as a child) because of her early exposure to "nurses" in her career.

Actually, FN was the first woman to truly push back against doctors and wanted nurses involved in a patient's care no matter the costs (First woman nurse at the bedside in army hospitals). Furthermore, she is one of the founders of EPB. Her work with the Rose diagram/Polar area graph is ground breaking. I think that FN would not only welcome the amount of clinical instruction in DNP programs, but would be at the forefront of EBP that DNP programs have identified as a requirement for the advancement of nursing practice.

I stand by my statements and they are historically correct. Just because FN did some great things does not erase the negative impact she had on other parts of nursing.

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1. There is no mandatory requirement for a DNP for NPs. The DNP is recommendation only at this point for NPs. Before deciding what is "enough" of a degree maybe you should read more about the DNP and what the AACN hopes it will do for nurses. American Association of Colleges of Nursing | DNP Fact Sheet FYI: The national average salaries for NPs is 95K. Nurse Practitioner Salary | Salary.com

Right it's a recommendation but in MN where I plan to practice there are only 2 nurse practitioner/crna schools that only require masters. The article stated Minnesota as being one of the top 5 states in regards to dnp programs.

This pretty much sums up my point (found in the fact sheet you provided from AACN; "Nursing is moving in the direction of other health professions in the transition to the DNP. Medicine (MD), Dentistry (DDS), Pharmacy (PharmD), Psychology (PsyD), Physical Therapy (DPT), and Audiology (AudD) all offer practice doctorates."

Again, if I wanted to be a doctor I would go to medical school for 4 years. I'm all about being the best one can be but as an NP in many states you are working under an MD. Why would I go to the same amount of school as MD to have a much lesser scope of practice and pay?

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