dishonesty in clinical rotation

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Hello, all...seeking advice or information...I am a first year LPN student, going part time, mornings. My dilemma involves a couple of fellow students.

We have just started our clinical rotation in a LTC facility, one I happen to have just left after 14 years of employment as a CNA.

One of the residents assigned to our care has often been found to be dressed by the overnight shift, which has been their routine for many months. He often refuses to be undressed, rebathed and redressed, and we report this and document it, and perform whatever else we can that falls within our skills to date. I was assigned to bed bathe him today, as a matter of fact, and the scenario played out exactly as I write it above.

Monday, though, two other SPN's were assigned his care. As team leader, I offered assistance to the various pairs of caregiver/students, and was in and out of nearly all of the rooms, fetching linens and taking notes for them. I entered Mr. B's room 30 minutes after we received report and got out on to the unit, and found him fully dressed in bed, with the students assigned to his care standing at bedside. With no other motive than to find out what his status was, I asked if he was found to be dressed, or did the students provide him with care (a complete bed bath!) and dress him. The response was that they had indeed done his complete bed bath, and dressed him, and begun to assist him with his breakfast, within the past 30 minutes. My gut said that they weren't being honest, but let it go after confirming that I understood that THEY had done the bed bath, not the night shift workers at the LTC facility. Later, during the exit conference with the instructor, they repeated this information. Another fellow student tapped me on the shoulder, and informed me that she had been in the room shortly after we received report, at about 8:20 a.m., and Mr. B. was dressed at that time. She had not been aware of my misgivings, so that had nothing to do with her telling me that; I see it more as because of my assignment as team leader that day.

Today, when our regular instructor returned, we had an opening conference, and the two students told her that they had bathed Mr. B. yesterday.

It sounds pretty petty in the re-telling, but the four of us who are aware of the dishonesty are pretty disturbed by it, and are inclined to report the behavior to the regular instructor. :o Our first week in class, we were told every day that honesty and reliability is a requirement of the nursing program, and that cheating, dishonesty and untrustworthy behaviour would not be tolerated, and would be grounds for dismissal from the program. I naturally don't wish to be the catalyst for someone being removed, but I also don't want to be in a professional or accountable position with these two women, who are lazy enough to not do their assigned work and dishonest enough not only to lie, but to repeat the lie at least 3 times.

Any thoughts?:o

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I agree with the others who posted, "think like a nurse."

To that I would add, if you have reason to suspect any type of substandard care, neglect, mistreatment etc. of any patient whether you are assigned to them or not is something that should be brought to someone's attention.

If you are concerned this patient is not receiving the care he deserves, then that is how I would present it. As concern. You have the right and the obligation to be concerned for patients in your facility. You can speak with the instructor from a concerned perspective not an accusatory one. Does this patient's skin appear to have been cleaned and lotioned (if appropriate)? Has he had complete mouth care? There are usually signs when a patient has just had a complete bath within the last 30 minutes. And as someone pointed out suppose this man's skin is beginning to breakdown?

Ask yourself which would play harder on your conscience; finding out a concern of yours was not a concern or finding out this individual ended up with a serious pressure sore?

I too am a student and part of that is making mistakes and learning from them. If you are way off base about this man's care he will be no worse off. If on the other hand you do nothing, he could end up on a long road.

For both scenarios ask yourself, "what is the worst that can happen?"

Good luck I will be thinking of you,

C

My thought is if they would lie about a bed bath what would they do to cover up a really serious mistake? Very scary!

My thought is if they would lie about a bed bath what would they do to cover up a really serious mistake? Very scary!

Agreed - good point made! If these students did not do the bed bath and dress the patient, yet had the audacity to say - yes they did 3 TIMES - I would be informing the instructor w/o hesitation.

report this to the instructor, because if it is true..they have committed fraud through their documentation. As a faculty member, I expect this behavior to be reported and I inform them that if it is not and I find out...it won't be pretty.

Barbara

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Originally posted by donnapalmer

I also don't want to be in a professional or accountable position with these two women, who are lazy enough to not do their assigned work and dishonest enough not only to lie, but to repeat the lie at least 3 times.

Any thoughts?:o

It's not petty at all, but it is a sad reality. It is a big deal because, well YOU know, prevent breakdown or infection, inspect the skin, can make many assessments bathing that you obviously can't when the pt is fully dressed.

Nurses count on all other team members being their eyes and ears, and personal care is the best time to get information about the pt.

IMHO of course :)

Keep at it you are doing great!

Thanks, everyone, for your help--my classmates and I approached our instructor this morning and got the whole situation out in the open. (I actually navigated to the subject of this thread on the classroom computer, and told her that this was a concern that a few of us had). We were commended for our nursing integrity and advocacy for our patient, and I believe I speak for all of us that we feel immensely better for speaking out.

I hope you are all around for the next (inevitable) issue that arises that I need guidance in!

Thanks, again :kiss

glad to hear it! :)

Barbara

Glad to hear it. Keeping the patient first is always a way to approach a tricky situation.

Keep up the good work,

C;)

It wouldn't ahve been the choice I would ahve chosen but i am glad it is all working out for you. I certainly hope in all fairness that these people that were accused of such a terrible thing were in fact guilty.

You go girl! We are nothing as nurses if not patient advocates! I am proud of you! :kiss :D

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