direct entry bsn/msn in nurse anesthesia??

tipani77 · Mar 8, 2009

Hi Cupcakezzz,

I applied to Columbia the same time as NYU, so I already had the GRE, rec letters, and personal statement done. It wasn't a transfer, it was just me applying to several different schools. So I'm not sure what your question is. It seems like you haven't applied yet to Columbia yet? If that's the case, might as well just finish up at NYU, work and then apply.

olderthandirt2 · Mar 9, 2009

So,

I get that everyone is in a "hurry" to become a CRNA......but seriously folks, Do you want to be the CRNA that NO ONE trusts and you ONLY get the "low risk surgeries"?

Why not spend more than 12 months in the ICU and really learn your basics? Come on,

Would you want a "flight RN" who has only 1 yr RN experience transporting your Mom or Kid? No, no you wouldn't.......The same goes for Anesthesia.

Be patient, learn your trade.

c.

DECRNA · Mar 12, 2009

Hey Olderthandirt2,

Normally I keep myself from getting into internet debates but I have to say something here. Maybe you should express your opinions to the American Association of Nurse Anesthetists (AANA)...you know, the professional organization representing nurse anesthetists. For them, one year in the ICU is sufficient so it appears that your opinion is quite irrelevant. In fact, it's well known that there are many different opinions out there on this matter but one year is still good enough for the AANA. As well, almost all of the schools in the country (all that I know of actually) only require one year of experience. Did you hear that everyone? All of you looking to get accepted to direct entry programs in anesthesia, or regular programs for that matter, one year is sufficient for the AANA and almost all of the schools in the country. Seems odd that they would accept students with only one year of experience when they know it's not enough, doesn't it? It's almost as if they're setting you up for failure. :chuckle Just remember, whatever you read on these boards, one person's opinion does not matter! Don't get me wrong, I don't mind that you have an opinion; just stop feeding junk to prospective students who are coming here for information regarding their dream. No one will trust those who go through a direct entry program in anesthesia? What!!!? Low risk surgeries? This is laughable!

Here's an excerpt from the sticky "How to Become a CRNA:" Many students wonder whether one year's experience is sufficient. Generally, the answer is yes. However, some may feel more comfortable applying after two or three years experience in an ICU. The bottom line is one year meets the requirement. After that, it is up to the prospective student to decide when they feel comfortable.

olderthandirt2 · Mar 12, 2009

Hey Olderthandirt2,
Normally I keep myself from getting into internet debates but I have to say something here. Maybe you should express your opinions to the American Association of Nurse Anesthetists (AANA)...you know, the professional organization representing nurse anesthetists. For them, one year in the ICU is sufficient so it appears that your opinion is quite irrelevant. In fact, it's well known that there are many different opinions out there on this matter but one year is still good enough for the AANA. As well, almost all of the schools in the country (all that I know of actually) only require one year of experience. Did you hear that everyone? All of you looking to get accepted to direct entry programs in anesthesia, or regular programs for that matter, one year is sufficient for the AANA and almost all of the schools in the country. Seems odd that they would accept students with only one year of experience when they know it's not enough, doesn't it? It's almost as if they're setting you up for failure. :chuckle Just remember, whatever you read on these boards, one person's opinion does not matter! Don't get me wrong, I don't mind that you have an opinion; just stop feeding junk to prospective students who are coming here for information regarding their dream. No one will trust those who go through a direct entry program in anesthesia? What!!!? Low risk surgeries? This is laughable!
Here's an excerpt from the sticky "How to Become a CRNA:" Many students wonder whether one year's experience is sufficient. Generally, the answer is yes. However, some may feel more comfortable applying after two or three years experience in an ICU. The bottom line is one year meets the requirement. After that, it is up to the prospective student to decide when they feel comfortable.

Right.......If that is what makes you feel more confident, then by all means keep telling yourself that.

But, If you have been a nurse for more than 1yr, then I ask you to remember what it felt like when you started out........now, when you look back, do you find yourself saying, "Wow....I didn't know $#@&^ then !, I know soooo much more now!"

Honesty is the best policy, new grads are dangerous..... and we ALL were once new grads. End of discussion.

peace out

c.

olderthandirt2 · Mar 12, 2009

"How to Become a CRNA:" Many students wonder whether one year's experience is sufficient. Generally, the answer is yes. However, some may feel more comfortable applying after two or three years experience in an ICU. The bottom line is one year meets the requirement. "After that, it is up to the prospective student to decide when they feel comfortable"

I would like add that on "Another Anesthesia nursing forum" , this discussion of Years of experience is a constant topic. In fact there is a current poll of forum participants who vote on their years of nursing experience "Prior to becoming a CRNA"...........51% had > 5 yrs...........only 9 % had 1 yr of nursing......

Guess people feel more comfortable with experience......schools and applicants,

c.

olderthandirt2 · Mar 14, 2009

"Here's an excerpt from the sticky "How to Become a CRNA:" Many students wonder whether one year's experience is sufficient. Generally, the answer is yes. However, some may feel more comfortable applying after two or three years experience in an ICU. The bottom line is one year meets the requirement. After that, it is up to the prospective student to decide when they feel comfortable."

And here is the Next Sentence you did not include from this qouted paragraph (a Nursing Anesthesia Sticky)....."It is important to note that the average CRNA applicant has 5-7 years of experience as an RN before admission."

Nice omission!

c.

DECRNA · Mar 15, 2009

Ok, so you decided to keep pushing so now you got me back on here. (I thought the discussion was over after the first post like you said...I guess not!) :wink2:

Hmmmm, where do I begin? Well, for starters, it's obvious you have no experience with research methods and design. Your little poll on the other website might....might, hold ground if the title of the poll was, "What do you think is the appropriate amount of ICU experience before CRNA school." But it's not. In fact, if you click on that poll, the actual title of it is, "How many years RN experience did you have before CRNA school?" Understand? And, it doesn't even say anything about ICU experience...nothing!!! The poll you're referencing to support your stance on ICU experience has nothing to do with ICU experience in the first place, it regards RN experience!! Anyone in that poll could have only one year of ICU experience and the rest of it other RN experience. Do you understand? Anyway, even if the title was as I stated, it would only prove that people feel a certain way but it wouldn't prove whether or not their feeling is correct. Which brings me right back to the original point of my first post.

With regards to my "omission," my first post specifically states, "Here's an excerpt from the sticky 'How to Become a CRNA.'" Now, if you go to the sticky, on allnurses.com, titled, "How to Become a CRNA" and go down to the section titled, "What are the prerequisites for CRNA?" there you will see the paragraph that I quoted and see that I didn't omit anything, that sentence isn't even there! Now, I know it would help your case to try to attack my credibility but you can clearly see, as can anyone else, that I didn't omit anything. Interestingly enough, though, that sentence is included at the end of the same paragraph on the website you mentioned earlier and the sticky is titled, coincidentally, "What are the prerequisites for CRNA?" So, you're trying to discredit me by stating that I originally quoted another website when I clearly quoted allnurses.com in the first place. In fact, if you do a google search, that last sentence is nowhere else on the web except the website you referenced earlier. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it's almost as if the developer of your other website copied the information from allnurses.com. Then, perhaps he's hardcore on experience and decided to put that sentence in based on that little poll. Wouldn't you say? Which, of course, doesn't mean that 5-7 years is necessary. Besides, that sentence refers to RN experience, not ICU experience!!!! The whole point of the conversation in the first place!

Let me guess, you're going to go start a new poll on the other website anyway aren't you? I don't mean to put you down or anything but next time, please try harder.

olderthandirt2 · Mar 15, 2009

The qoute WAS from the OTHER Nursing Anesthesia website----word for word, as I stated in my post...............save your breath.

c.

olderthandirt2 · Mar 15, 2009

"Hmmmm, where do I begin? Well, for starters, it's obvious you have no experience with research methods and design. Your little poll on the other website might....."

My little poll? I didn't create it.

Concerning my knowledge of research/design...........You are sooo right!! I have NO experience with research methods and design, ......... Hummm, then how is it that I successfully completed 2 Masters of Science and now I am halfway through a PhD program at OSU? Must be a miracle.

"So, you're trying to discredit me by stating that I originally quoted another website when I clearly quoted allnurses.com in the first place."

Reread your original post.........no mention of which website.

This thread is about "Direct Entry CRNA programs". I am refering to Nursing experience....if it is ICU, then all the better. Perhaps the readers of this thread would like to visit the SRNA forum and read THEIR opinions of "new grad nurses becoming CRNAs"........

c.

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DECRNA · Mar 16, 2009

ok, as per the tos on this website, i will keep the personal attacks out of the conversation. i will, however, defend myself once again because i want people who are reading this thread, and those interested in direct entry crna programs, to know that one person's opinion doesn't matter with regards to the icu experience debate. i just want to establish my credibility on the issue and let others know that there is a lot more information out there on the topic and they should seek it out.

as for me referring to it as "you're little poll:" i know it's not your poll, it's posted on the other website, it's a poll on the other website. however, since you are the one that referenced it, i referred to it as your poll. that's it. this is just a misunderstanding with regards to semantics.

as far as all your degrees, let me just say congratulations! however, this is the internet and as i mentioned before, i normally choose not to get into internet debates; this is one of the reasons why. anyone out there could be an astronaut or a dogwalker for all i know. but, when that person references supposed evidence to back up his/her stance, and he/she fails to recognize, or mention, some of the basic concepts of research, such as instrumentation reliability and construct validity, i have to question whether or not that person is giving everyone out there appropriate information. in other words, with regards to instrumentation reliability, any of the polls on any website can't be considered reliable instruments, for the purpose of research, because anyone can participate in them and they don't need any proof to justify their response (i.e. i could go to that other website, create 100 accounts, and then vote 100 times saying i only had one year of experience. that would completely skew the results and, therefore, makes the instrument itself a threat to the internal validity of the "study.") i call it research because you're treating the evidence it supplies as such. with regards to construct validity, the poll you mentioned only talks about rn experience, not icu experience. however, you specifically stated:

"i get that everyone is in a "hurry" to become a crna......but seriously folks, do you want to be the crna that no one trusts and you only get the "low risk surgeries"?

why not spend more than 12 months in the icu and really learn your basics?"

this is why i responded initially, because i felt you were discouraging potential applicants regarding icu experience. perhaps you just overlooked these principles and forgot that you mentioned icu experience, not general rn experience, and that this is what we were debating on in the first place. it's okay, we all overlook things sometimes.

finally, regarding my quote. i guess i just assumed that you would think i was quoting a sticky on this website, because this is where i was posting, and not some random website without telling you which one it was. i did, however, give the title of the sticky. the information you mention, however, on the other website, is under a sticky with a completely different title. not sure how you thought i was quoting that one but, again, no worries.

i enjoy a lively debate sometimes so thanks for the time. however, i want you all to know that there are direct entry programs for crnas out there and you shouldn't let the icu experience issue discourage you. good luck to you all!!! :)

CerebralCRNA · Mar 17, 2009

Here is a question,

How often do you let someone who has been only driving for a year drive you brand new corvette?