Nurses at Scripps Encinitas Hospital in San Diego County California have filed a petition to Decertify the California Nurses Association.
The California Nurses Association have made several unsuccessful attempts to strike at the hospital and have failed to garner enough support among staff nurses.
A copy of the petition is available from the National Labor Relations Board or download the petition now at http://www.stopunions.com
I wasn't trying to shift the focus. Let me put it another way since you seem to be missing the point entirely. If the domain name information has caused Suzanne so many problems from CNA, as you claim, why hasn't she changed it? It's a very simple procedure to do so and takes effect immediately. All you have to do is log into your account and change the info. It's automatic. Unless, of course, the domain name info hasn't caused her any problems.
What would be the point in changing it after the union already knows she owns it? That would look like she was hiding or running scared. My grandmother called it "closing the barn door after the horse has gotten out".
As for management distributing her literature...management distributed lots of materials that they felt supported their stand. Once something is in the public domain (ie,newsapapers, pamphlets etc...) it is fair game to reproduce and distribute as long as you don't claim it as your own. Nothing illegal or wrong with what Cedars management did. It was effective, that is why CNA made allegations suggesting it was wrong. Unfortunately they chose to attack Suzanne and her husband which backlashed. Many RNs then saw what CNA was really like which further allienated themselves from the professional RNs of CSMC.
Specializes in Cardiac Critical Care, Trauma, Neuro..
What would be the point in changing it after the union already knows she owns it? That would look like she was hiding or running scared. My grandmother called it "closing the barn door after the horse has gotten out".
As for management distributing her literature...management distributed lots of materials that they felt supported their stand. Once something is in the public domain (ie,newsapapers, pamphlets etc...) it is fair game to reproduce and distribute as long as you don't claim it as your own. Nothing illegal or wrong with what Cedars management did. It was effective, that is why CNA made allegations suggesting it was wrong. Unfortunately they chose to attack Suzanne and her husband which backlashed. Many RNs then saw what CNA was really like which further allienated themselves from the professional RNs of CSMC.
Exactly Nancy! The CNA mistakenly thought that management was working with onevoice, but that is not so. the supporters of onevoice, made a very strong effort to separate themselves from Cedars management, although their goals were similar Suzanne decided early on that her campaign was to be a grassroots effort without management support or involvement. I know because Suzanne helped me so much in my efforts to keep the CNA out of my hospital. This is a campaign by nurses for nurses and our patients.
The California Nurses Associations actions and aggressive unprofessional acts will continue to further alienate nurses and the public. That is why these decertification efforts are increasing and the CNA is losing respect among nurses. Nurses are strong, college educated professionals who command a great deal of respect from the public. We know that our voices are heard every moment of everyday. Nurses working together for nurses!
As for management distributing her literature...management distributed lots of materials that they felt supported their stand. Once something is in the public domain (ie,newsapapers, pamphlets etc...) it is fair game to reproduce and distribute as long as you don't claim it as your own. Nothing illegal or wrong with what Cedars management did. It was effective, that is why CNA made allegations suggesting it was wrong. Unfortunately they chose to attack Suzanne and her husband which backlashed. Many RNs then saw what CNA was really like which further allienated themselves from the professional RNs of CSMC.
This is all a red herring because you guys don't want to disclose the true owners of stopunions.com. Gee ... I wonder why.
As I said before, I don't see anything wrong with management distributing Suzanne's fliers, regardless of what CNA may or may not have said. And if CNA did say it was wrong, so what? At least the source of the materials was disclosed so voters knew where it was coming from, which is more than stopunions.com has done.
And, just a reminder, Suzanne's efforts couldn't have been that effective because CNA did win the actual election. CNA apparently didn't alienate that many RN's since they still got a majority of votes.
As far as Suzanne's alleged harassment in the Cedars Sinai case, the NLRB judge found that neither she, nor her husband, were actually threatened by anyone, union or otherwise:
"In the 2 months prior to the election, Ms. Geimer, a vocal opponent of the Petitioner, received ten or more phone calls in which the caller hung up when the phone was answered. On two occasions, lengthy musical recordings were left on her answering machine. Ms. Geimer told other unit employees that "different ones of us" had gotten "strange" telephone calls and "threatening" telephone calls and that Ms. Foxon was concerned because she had two children. Viewed objectively, the telephone calls to Ms. Geimer were annoying and even unsettling. However, I cannot find that receipt of merely annoying telephone calls can reasonably constitute any threat."
BTW, I've gotten annoying hang up calls too ... sometimes with music playing in the background. Is CNA harassing or "threatening" me? No. The "harassment" comes from telemarkers. Some automatic dialers tend to leave lengthy messages with music playing in the background when you don't pick up the phone. This has happened to me on several occassions, although once I got on the "Do Not Call" list, the annoying messages stopped.
In regards to Suzanne's husband, the NLRB judge also said:
"The Employer also contends that Rudy Cole (Mr. Cole) who manages political campaigns in Beverly Hills, threatened Ms. Geimer by telling her she should pull back from her antiunion stance as it might damage her husband's political career. Even assuming the advice emanated from the Union, there is nothing in that statement that could be considered an objectionable threat. Viewed objectively, the statement is no more than a reasonable political prediction that antiunion opinions may repulse some constituents."
Still waiting for Sherwood to disclose the owners of stopunions.com.
Specializes in Cardiac Critical Care, Trauma, Neuro..
This is all a red herring because you guys don't want to disclose the true owners of stopunions.com. Gee ... I wonder why.
As I said before, I don't see anything wrong with management distributing Suzanne's fliers, regardless of what CNA may or may not have said. And if CNA did say it was wrong, so what? At least the source of the materials was disclosed so voters knew where it was coming from, which is more than stopunions.com has done.
And, just a reminder, Suzanne's efforts couldn't have been that effective because CNA did win the actual election. CNA apparently didn't alienate that many RN's since they still got a majority of votes.
As far as Suzanne's alleged harassment in the Cedars Sinai case, the NLRB judge found that neither she, nor her husband, were actually threatened by anyone, union or otherwise:
"In the 2 months prior to the election, Ms. Geimer, a vocal opponent of the Petitioner, received ten or more phone calls in which the caller hung up when the phone was answered. On two occasions, lengthy musical recordings were left on her answering machine. Ms. Geimer told other unit employees that "different ones of us" had gotten "strange" telephone calls and "threatening" telephone calls and that Ms. Foxon was concerned because she had two children. Viewed objectively, the telephone calls to Ms. Geimer were annoying and even unsettling. However, I cannot find that receipt of merely annoying telephone calls can reasonably constitute any threat."
BTW, I've gotten annoying hang up calls too ... sometimes with music playing in the background. Is CNA harassing or "threatening" me? No. The "harassment" comes from telemarkers. Some automatic dialers tend to leave lengthy messages with music playing in the background when you don't pick up the phone. This has happened to me on several occassions, although once I got on the "Do Not Call" list, the annoying messages stopped.
In regards to Suzanne's husband, the NLRB judge also said:
"The Employer also contends that Rudy Cole (Mr. Cole) who manages political campaigns in Beverly Hills, threatened Ms. Geimer by telling her she should pull back from her antiunion stance as it might damage her husband's political career. Even assuming the advice emanated from the Union, there is nothing in that statement that could be considered an objectionable threat. Viewed objectively, the statement is no more than a reasonable political prediction that antiunion opinions may repulse some constituents."
Still waiting for Sherwood to disclose the owners of stopunions.com.
I suggest you email stopunions.com for information. They usually take a couple of days to answer though. You sure have some great "inside information" Lizz! You must copies of the legal briefs.....Wonder who gave those to you?
I suggest you email stopunions.com for information. They usually take a couple of days to answer though. You sure have some great "inside information" Lizz! You must copies of the legal briefs.....Wonder who gave those to you?
It's not "inside" information. I just did a quick search online. The entire decision is posted on the NLRB website and you can find it easily with a google search. Nobody "gave" it to me.
If you ask me, sitting back here in my open shop state (Texas) and watching from afar:
I think unions take on their own entity and now the lowly employee has two administrations to deal with - and neither administration particularly cares about THEIR interests.
Sounds like unions are an extortive effort get non-nursing 'bosses' access to my paycheck. I don't think the union effort is about improving nursing at all; it's about how much can be fleeced from how many. . .
Thug tactics are designed to enforce extortion. Those same tactics have no place and would not serve to further nursing. . . (i.e. it's about the bucks).
I agree with previous posters that we need to organize; not unionize.
Specializes in Cardiac Critical Care, Trauma, Neuro..
No and that's the problem.
The ANA doesn't represent all nurses - they represent BSN and AP nurses only.
Unions sure don't - they represent themselves.
No I cannot give you an example. THAT's why nursing is always in disarray.
~faith,
Timothy.
Nurses can join professional organizations that relate to their specialty. Operating room nurses have an organization, Critical-Care Nurses have the AACN. Just about every area of nursing has an organization that promotes nursing and the advancement of nurses. Through these professional organizations nurses can promote nursing and can keep their members aware of events that affect nurses and our patients.
If they do not already have something in place, perhaps members can suggest a "Legislative Alert" for it's members. This would keep interested and politically active members aware of events of concern.
We have a voice, let's use it constructively, effectively and positively!
Specializes in Cardiac Critical Care, Trauma, Neuro..
If you ask me, sitting back here in my open shop state (Texas) and watching from afar:
I think unions take on their own entity and now the lowly employee has two administrations to deal with - and neither administration particularly cares about THEIR interests.
Sounds like unions are an extortive effort get non-nursing 'bosses' access to my paycheck. I don't think the union effort is about improving nursing at all; it's about how much can be fleeced from how many. . .
Thug tactics are designed to enforce extortion. Those same tactics have no place and would not serve to further nursing. . . (i.e. it's about the bucks).
I agree with previous posters that we need to organize; not unionize.
Nurses can join professional organizations that relate to their specialty. Operating room nurses have an organization, Critical-Care Nurses have the AACN. Just about every area of nursing has an organization that promotes nursing and the advancement of nurses. Through these professional organizations nurses can promote nursing and can keep their members aware of events that affect nurses and our patients.
If they do not already have something in place, perhaps members can suggest a "Legislative Alert" for it's members. This would keep interested and politically active members aware of events of concern.
We have a voice, let's use it constructively, effectively and positively!
Yes, but NONE of these organizations have a direct impact on working conditions in individual hospitals. They are useful for specialty education, training, etc. but completely useless when your manager is trying to get you to take completely unsafe assignments. I want to see something that actually works, but no one has been able to show me another group that can accomplish what unions can.
Nancy2
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What would be the point in changing it after the union already knows she owns it? That would look like she was hiding or running scared. My grandmother called it "closing the barn door after the horse has gotten out".
As for management distributing her literature...management distributed lots of materials that they felt supported their stand. Once something is in the public domain (ie,newsapapers, pamphlets etc...) it is fair game to reproduce and distribute as long as you don't claim it as your own. Nothing illegal or wrong with what Cedars management did. It was effective, that is why CNA made allegations suggesting it was wrong. Unfortunately they chose to attack Suzanne and her husband which backlashed. Many RNs then saw what CNA was really like which further allienated themselves from the professional RNs of CSMC.