Decertification Petition Filed Against the California Nurses Association

[Sherwood]

Nurses at Scripps Encinitas Hospital in San Diego County California have filed a petition to Decertify the California Nurses Association.

The California Nurses Association have made several unsuccessful attempts to strike at the hospital and have failed to garner enough support among staff nurses.

A copy of the petition is available from the National Labor Relations Board or download the petition now at http://www.stopunions.com

[Nancy2]

I'm not interested in "finding" you.

I am interested in who owns and finances stopunions.com. Especially since you refer to it frequently in this forum and, the website claims: "This site is not endorsed or supported by any hospital, hospital network, or any managerial staff. The information contained on this site is solely based on the opinions of its contributors."

Who are the contributors? And why is the domain registered with a "privacy protection service" in Washington state so that the domain owner remains anonymous? You always talk about CNA's publicly disclosed finances. Well ... how about some public disclosure on who owns stopunions.com and how the website, and all of it's accompanying campaign materials, are financed?

Well, when stopunions.com starts trying to sell you a service and collect money, then they should publicly disclose their financials. You are comparing apples and oranges here. Stopunions is not asking anyone to contribute part of their paycheck to their efforts. There in lies the difference!

Unions can be awfully nasty. I wouldn't blame anyone who opposes them to pay for a little privacy! They hacked stopunions twice this year that I can remember. Is that right Sherwood?

I for one am amazed at how out front you are on these issues! And I thank you for it! :)

My husband has a website for his business, and I am shocked by how little it costs. Anyone could afford to have a website if they are techy at all.

[Sheri257]

Well, when stopunions.com starts trying to sell you a service and collect money, then they should publicly disclose their financials. You are comparing apples and oranges here. Stopunions is not asking anyone to contribute part of their paycheck to their efforts. There in lies the difference!

So they claim they're not run by hospitals, but won't disclose who the owner is? They claim to tell you the truth about unions but won't tell the truth about themselves. That's hypocritical.

Unions can be awfully nasty. I wouldn't blame anyone who opposes them to pay for a little privacy! They hacked stopunions twice this year that I can remember. Is that right Sherwood?

Funny ... another anti-union website, OneVoice-OurVoice.com doesn't have a problem disclosing their owners. Suzanne's name is right there in the domain records which, btw, she could change at any time. Obviously she isn't worried about harrassment and hasn't had any problems.

Hacker attacks are common and the source is rarely known. How can you say the union did it? Hackers attack sites for many reasons, including stealing the bandwidth off of your account. Even this site, allnurses.com has hacker protection by limiting the number of page requests by 20 seconds ... because hacker attacks are so common. Do you think the union is hacking allnurses too? Sorry, but it's wrong to accuse the union because, in the vast majority of cases, even the server company doesn't know the source of hacker attacks.

[Nancy2]

Originally Posted by lizz

Funny ... another anti-union website, OneVoice-OurVoice.com doesn't have a problem disclosing their owners. Suzanne's name is right there in the domain records which, btw, she could change at any time. Obviously she isn't worried about harrassment and hasn't had any problems.

How can you say she hasn't had any problems. This whole tread was started to support her, because her integrity was attacked by the CNA union. CNA even dragged her husband into this.

You are right on the matter of me not knowing who hacked stopunions. It was just at a very interesting time, when Santa Rosa Memorial Hospital was using it daily to discuss what was going on there....maybe it was SEIU and maybe it wasn't...

[Sheri257]

How can you say she hasn't had any problems. This whole tread was started to support her, because her integrity was attacked by the CNA union. CNA even dragged her husband into this.

You're taking things out of context. We were talking about disclosure of the domain owners, and why one owner of an anti-union website openly lists their identity while stopunions.com does not.

You said ...

Unions can be awfully nasty. I wouldn't blame anyone who opposes them to pay for a little privacy!

Suzanne's name and address is publicly listed as the owner and operator of onevoice-ourvoice.com. Obviously that information hasn't caused her any problems because if it had, she could change it at any time. She hasn't.

I'm still waiting for Sherwood to disclose the identity of the owners of stopunions.com.

[fergus51]

I think that's a fair point. You can't say all CNA supporters are only financially motivated and then refuse to disclose the possible financial motives of the other side.

[StephRN89]

You're taking things out of context. We were talking about disclosure of the domain owners, and why one owner of an anti-union website openly lists their owners' identity while stopunions.com does not.

You said ...

Suzanne's name and address is publicly listed as the owner and operator of onevoice-ourvoice.com. Obviously that information hasn't caused her any problems because if it had, she could change it at any time. She hasn't.

I'm still waiting for Sherwood to disclose the identity of the owners of stopunions.com.

The owner of onevoice-ourvoice.com was personally attacked by the CNA. They created a smear campaign consisting of flyers attacking her and her husband. Her husband had nothing to do with her nusing job or her anti-union activities.

She was accused in print and by union supporters of being supported by management. Her reputation and her credibility was questioned.

The CNA actually filed Unfair Labor Practices to this effect. THe NLRB investigated and found the charges unfounded.

Did the CNA EVER issue a retraction or apology to all the nasty things that were said? NO!. Did the CNA ever issue a statement discussing the NLRB's findings and rulings? NO!

What is a fact and a matter of public record is that during the CNA's campaign to unionize Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles was that anti-union nurses received threatening phone calls that discussed the killing of a nurse's dogs and some threats about a nurses family. These calls were traced to offices leased by the CNA. Because of these documented and proven facts, the California Nurses Association was forced to withdraw from Cedars-Sinai Medical Center and Cedars nurses are not unionized.

They say that hindsite is 20/20. The world is full of strange people both pro and anti union. Regardless of your personal feelings for unionization what would you do? Most people who post here use a pseudonym or a nickname. If you really truly feel that it is safe for you and your family, then I invite you to post your name, address and phone number on these pages.

Steph R.N.

[Nancy2]

originally posted by lizz

Suzanne's name and address is publicly listed as the owner and operator of onevoice-ourvoice.com. Obviously that information hasn't caused her any problems because if it had, she could change it at any time. She hasn't

This is exactly why CNA has been attacking Suzanne. I took nothing out of context, but nice try to shift the focus...

[Sheri257]

Because of these documented and proven facts, the California Nurses Association was forced to withdraw from Cedars-Sinai Medical Center and Cedars nurses are not unionized.

Actually those allegations were never proven, and the original NLRB judge found no evidence to support the allegations and ruled in favor of the union. Then, the anti-union Bush appointees took over and reversed the decision.

The reason Suzanne was "accused" of being supported by management was because she was. Management distributed her fliers. Obviously they would support her since they were both on the same side.

And, BTW, I don't think there's anythingwrong with that. I think it's great that she publicly discloses that she owns onevoice-ourvoice.com. I think stopunions.com should do the same.

If Sherwood is going to constantly criticize CNA's finances, and refer to the stopunions.com website as a source of information, then people should know who owns and finances it.

[StephRN89]

Actually those allegations were never proven, and the original NLRB judge found no evidence to support the allegations and ruled in favor of the union. Then, the anti-union Bush appointees took over and reversed the decision.

The reason Suzanne was "accused" of being supported by management was because she was. Management distributed her fliers. Obviously they would support her since they were both on the same side.

CNA was REMOVED as the union for Cedars-Sinai based on the credible allegations that threats were made on anti-union hospital staff from CNA offices. Someone using phones in CNA offices threatened to kill a nurses dog and bring harm to another nurses children. This is scary stuff.

[Sheri257]

This is exactly why CNA has been attacking Suzanne. I took nothing out of context, but nice try to shift the focus...

I wasn't trying to shift the focus. Let me put it another way since you seem to be missing the point entirely. If the domain name information has caused Suzanne so many problems from CNA, as you claim, why hasn't she changed it? It's a very simple procedure to do so and takes effect immediately. All you have to do is log into your account and change the info. It's automatic. Unless, of course, the domain name info hasn't caused her any problems.

[Sheri257]

CNA was REMOVED as the union for Cedars-Sinai based on the credible allegations that threats were made on anti-union hospital staff from CNA offices. Someone using phones in CNA offices threatened to kill a nurses dog and bring harm to another nurses children. This is scary stuff.

Uh ... no. Read the file. There was no evidence that the calls were made from CNA's offices. There never was any record of these calls ... no CNA office phone records showed the calls were made from their offices, and the anti-union people didn't keep records to prove they received the calls. In fact, when the two anti-union people who supposedly received the calls complained to CNA, the union offered to meet with them to resolve the issue. They declined to meet with the union but, did testify that CNA offered to help.

Even if you assume that some members got out of line, the union behaved appropriately and, apparently, put a stop to it because the anti-union people stated the calls stopped after they complained to CNA. But, the record clearly states there was no evidence that union officials, or people in their offices, made any of the alleged calls. All of this is in the NLRB record.

The case really boiled down to whether allegations of third party threats made to two people could unduly influence a close election. The original judge said no, it didn't. The anti-union Bush board said it did.

[victory RN]

Unions do NOT work FOR nurses!

The ONLY thing that will work for nurses are NURSES who ban together in strength utilizing their MENTAL power in the healthcare field to make changes for the betterment of ALL nurses and ALL patients across the U.S.A. :)

It is STILL a MAN'S world, and WOMEN are still NOT being taken seriously in female dominated professions, or in any other profession for that matter.

We're still barking up the wrong tree in trying to make positive changes in nursing and healthcare. :stone

here is your answer to unions, Rich Dad Poor Dad...

May God bless all the Nurses at Scripts and give them direction to see them through this time of change God Bless Celebrate Nursing and all the Positive things of our profession!