CSULB Fall 2012 BSN

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Hi!

I think the CSULB School of nursing recently post new pool statistics including those who were chosen for Fall 2011.

http://www.csulb.edu/colleges/chhs/departments/nursing/docs/PoolStatsFall11.pdf

Knowing that the rating average is 8.91/10, that seems like a huge difference than the previous semesters! :eek:

Anyone else planning to apply to CSULB Fall 2012 BSN program?

I applied expecting a pretty high cut off and thought at least the average would be safe enough. I applied to local ADN programs and SFSU. SFSU is my top choice but CSULB would have been a great back-up/option as my family all live in SoCal. It would have been less stressful in regards to housing and visiting family! I really don't want to do any private/for-profit programs though because cost is a concern for me.

@ST1004: are you already a CSULB student?

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Hopefully SFSU is better news! I applied there too. And yes, I'm a third year CSULB student but like CluelessNursingGuy said it seems like we are the only current CSULB students on this site in terms of applicants for Fall 2012. I've kind of wanted to move out for nursing school but once I got the interview for CSULB I completely changed my mind haha, I think I'd prefer living at home and maybe moving out afterwards when I work.

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Yeah I'm really hoping to hear from SFSU. I applied to local ADN programs too because I'm on the fence about moving to SF due to relocating which means job and house hunting. That would mean staying at my current place and moving out after for work too. Getting into Nursing school there would be a huge factor because it would be for a BSN. That's great you guys (girls) got in cause you already know the campus and more familiar with everything and keeping your alma mater!

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Is it true there were 700+ applicants? Because if that's the case, then I see these numbers carrying onto next semester. All those who didn't get in will apply again and most likely with better stats (no courses in progress and retake the TEAS).

Not only do CSULB students have transfers, but second degree students to compete with as well. Based on ELMSN stats, the average is 9.4ish for about 50 accepted students. So out of the supposed 120 invites, around 50 may be second degree students. Then there are transfers, and while this thread is not a limited pool, one can estimate a good 30-40 transfers make up the 120. Second degree seekers and transfers collectively ALWAYS have higher stats than CSULB students. Why that is a different matter though which we should not even get into... So that leaves 30-40 CSULB students to make up the rest of the supposed 120 students. Now if this is really a number's game, the extra 30 interviews are alternates and most likely are from the CSULB pool. So that leaves about 20% of CSULB students to make up the nursing cohort for fall. Even if my numbers may be a bit off, the overall idea holds true.

I'm not taking away from any second degree students and transfer because they received the grades. But can you blame me as a CSULB student and the literally 1,000+of other CSULB pre-nursing student to be disappointed, sad, angry?! It's a kick to the balls knowing my friends and I who struggle to just get into preriqusites classes, work hard in arguably harder classes, just to find out nursing spots are going to outside students.

It's a number game at the end of the day though. There's nothing I or anyone else can do about it.

/rant

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@CluelessNursingGuy, I agree, it is really hard to get pre-req classes here. But I think they are improving. They added another micro lab for this semester, and the semester after I took chem they gave more priority to pre-nursing students. When I took chem, some people were taking it as a pre-req and I was so surprised they would let non pre-nursing students enroll in such a high-needed class for those in the impacted pre-nursing major. When I went to check out AUHS in Long Beach, the counselor told me that their students take the pre-req sciences at CSULB. Although there probably aren't that many students each semester from AUHS, I thought it was unfair how CSULB students don't get a seat because some of the seats are already reserved for AUHS students.

Anyway, I am glad we both got interviews. I know it is disappointing for a lot of pre-nursing students, it is hard for me to emphasize to my freshman and sophomore pre-nursing friends how important getting A's is. Some of my friends who were pre-nursing majors even changed career routes because they were doubted after taking a pre-req science class. It is pretty sad that your numbers show only 20% of CSULB students actually make up the program, but I guess its cause the school of nursing wants the best of the best, whether it be CSULB students or not.

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I think it is unfair for you guys to assume that because you take your courses at CSULB they are harder. I hate to break it to you but getting into prerequisite classes anywhere is tough, regardless if you are at a CC versus a cal state. The economy is tough and education is taking a big hit in terms of financial help from the government.

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I never said the classes at Csulb were harder. And of course it is tough to get into Pre-reqs everywhere, but this is the Csulb thread so I was only referring to the Pre-reqs at Csulb.

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Redwards: How do you know they stopped sending emails?

I have no doubt you will get in next semester! Too bad I wont see ya though!

Good luck and remember to apply to A LOT of schools, not just this one!

I noticed that in one of BeachsideNic's posts he/she had mentioned that if we didn't get an email by now, it is safe to assume it's not coming (or at least that is how I interpreted it, lol).

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I can totally see how if i was a csulb student i would share your anger.

Then again... wasn't there a situation a few semesters back where they only accepted csulb students, and they collectively did really bad, as a group, once they were in the nursing program?

Others who have taken both CSULB and CC science courses have said that CC courses are a bit easier, but this is mostly due to the quality of the professor (I've had great professors for my prereqs!). However, we still have to know and are tested on the same things you are, if we didn't then the courses wouldn't be transferable.

Also, the fact that our A's were for CC courses doesn't mean that we wouldn't have been able to do just as well in CSULB classes.

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Specializes in Med-Surg/DOU/Ortho/Onc/Rehab/ER/.

Pre reqs can vary whether at a CC or at a university. My pre req science teachers were hard at my CC and they put a lot of their questions into critical thinking style. It made us all start to really think about what we are learning. I mean, I took an ALL WRITTEN final for both physiology and microbiology. That took a lot of critical thinking! I aced them but it wasn't easy. I am pretty sure my professors taught us very well, and it will help us in the future.

I was at a university and some professors sucked and were easy while others were really hard. I think whether it is university or CC, it depends on the professor. We all learn the same things but I think how we learned and comprehend what we are taught ultimately makes the decision for how we will succeed.

Now if you look at the statistics from semesters that were compiled of only or most CSULB students, the averages and stats were VERY LOW. I dont know if that has to do with the A vs A- issue or what! But it seems that transfers display more competitivness over CSULB students. I am just pointing that out. I dont think it matters if you attended the school or not. IMO, I think that letting transfers in give the cohorts more of a broad spec of peoples intellect and experience. Why would the school only take CSULB students? Not only do I think that is unfair but I think that letting transfers in varies each cohort considerably.

But again that is all just my opinion. I too also have the grades with pluses and minus. I can speak from both sides of the fence.

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Specializes in Med-Surg/DOU/Ortho/Onc/Rehab/ER/.
Is it true there were 700+ applicants? Because if that's the case, then I see these numbers carrying onto next semester. All those who didn't get in will apply again and most likely with better stats (no courses in progress and retake the TEAS).

Not only do CSULB students have transfers, but second degree students to compete with as well. Based on ELMSN stats, the average is 9.4ish for about 50 accepted students. So out of the supposed 120 invites, around 50 may be second degree students. Then there are transfers, and while this thread is not a limited pool, one can estimate a good 30-40 transfers make up the 120. Second degree seekers and transfers collectively ALWAYS have higher stats than CSULB students. Why that is a different matter though which we should not even get into... So that leaves 30-40 CSULB students to make up the rest of the supposed 120 students. Now if this is really a number's game, the extra 30 interviews are alternates and most likely are from the CSULB pool. So that leaves about 20% of CSULB students to make up the nursing cohort for fall. Even if my numbers may be a bit off, the overall idea holds true.

I'm not taking away from any second degree students and transfer because they received the grades. But can you blame me as a CSULB student and the literally 1,000+of other CSULB pre-nursing student to be disappointed, sad, angry?! It's a kick to the balls knowing my friends and I who struggle to just get into preriqusites classes, work hard in arguably harder classes, just to find out nursing spots are going to outside students.

It's a number game at the end of the day though. There's nothing I or anyone else can do about it.

/rant

I see what you mean and I see your anger. I am sorry.

Being a transfer is scary too because CSULB is shaky on accepting transfer students due to budget cuts. But then it seems transfers have an 'advantage' with grades I suppose. I guess either way, a CSULB student or a transfer can be denied easily due to different situations.

BTW you really thought our chances throughout! nice! If in fact you think that the alternates are mostly CSULB students, that makes me a tiny bit better about it. I am a transfer and my stats suck (oh wait I dont even know my score, but I am sure it is the cut off).

But hey, I figure I will be a alternate and have accepted it. I am blessed to at least be invited to an interview. That is a great opportunity in and of itself. HOPEFULLY (for us alternates) there will be people who either dont show up to interview or dont pass it. We also have until the end of the first week of school to be choosen to take someones spot. That isnt so bad. BUT I want to STRESS that if you want to go somewhere else, please decline CSULB's offer ASAP. Give others a chance to get into the school we really want to get into.

Just say'in

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I have read the resent posts and it looks like the thread has become negative. I thought this thread was CSULB Fall 2012 cohorts, not CSULB students vs. transfer students and second degree students.

When I decided to come back to school, I planned to just get my ADN. The thought of getting a BSN never crossed my mind.

The one thing I did know was how competitive all nursing programs are. It took me over 3 years to complete my prereqs because most semesters I would only take one class because I knew that I needed to get A's and when I mean semesters I mean every winter, spring, summer, and fall. The fact is that we all have worked very hard!

Sorry for rant, but it seems like some people are undermining CC curriculum like transfer students got easy A's and took their spot.

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