Criminal Assault due to "criminal neglect"?

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The place where I work is instituting a new parking policy.

To get to the lot where we are to park, we have to exit the rear of the hospital, go past a row of big dumpsters, past a lot full of vans and fleet vehicles, cross a main down-town street, enter a huge and poorly lit lot that is about a quarter of a mile down the street from Suzi's XXX Adult Video Superstore. We know the lot is not safe because cars that are parked there are frequently broken into.

During the meeting at which the new policy was introduced, nurses asked about safety. Here is what the "safety" officer told us.

1) Yes, cars are broken into. No, we can't do anything about it. 20,000 car break-ins occur each year in our city. The police cruise the lot when they can. It's your responsibility to keep back-packs, purses, GPS units, etc. out of sight.

2) No, we cannot light the lot any brighter than it currently is because that would cost too much money.

3) No, we cannot have the lot on camera in real-time but only the scanning system we have now that is not continuously monitored. To do better monitoring would cost too much money.

4) No, we won't have a shuttle to take you to and from your cars except in very bad weather. To provide shuttles would cost too much money.

5) Yes! We will provide you an escort to your car. However, after hours we have only 5-6 officers for the whole 800 bed campus so you will have to wait. And while you're waiting, make sure you're clocked out.

In addition, there was a nurse who outran an attacker within the last month. Also, we're the major trauma center and have all the gang-bangers in our ER. We have no guards in the ER. We have no metal detectors. (It would cost too much money.) We had a deranged man shoot himself in the parking lot on the other side of the hospital last year.

I tried to do some quick research on attempted assaults on nurses, but only found articles related to work-place violence, a related concept, but not what I was looking for. It is my suspicion that it is not uncommon for nurses to be attacked going to and from hospitals at shift change but that it is not reported as such. For the police, it's an assault and would be recorded that way. For the hospital, there is every reason to sweep such incidents under the rug.

Does anyone have any anecdotal stories relative to assaults on nurses or know of any research on the topic? I am thinking about contacting our police and getting crime statistics for our area of the city, if they will give them to me.

Any other ideas out there?

First of all, don't get a hospital employee parking sticker on your car. Park where you want to. What city are you in? Are you part of a union? You can get crime stats for any city on line. In addition, do you carry a gun? Can you get a carry permit in your state? Do you know how to properly use a firearm?

I live in Washington state just outside Seattle having moved here from Texas. I have a carry permit and I carry my pistol 24/7. We are supposed to have a parking sticker but I don't have one and I park where I want. Security knows this and they don't ticket my car because they know I will throw a fit. And we have dark parking lots and "security" officers who don't even carry pepper spray. What good are they anyway. They can't help me when I need help now. What are they going to do if someone jumps me in the parking lot, blow their horn?

You need to get a copy of the meeting minutes where this issue was discussed and hang on to them. If you really want to stir the pot, take a copy of those meeting minutes to your local news media and tell them your story. I bet you will get better parking after that.

Bless you. I know that concealed carry is a hot potato on this website and many others. My question to those who object to exercising their 2nd amendment freedom is simply... given this situation in which my fellow employees and I find ourselves, what are the effective and immediate alternatives?

I worked at a hospital like that. During orientation security told us how unsafe we were and even offered to sell a whistle and/or pepper spray to anyone with the price. Nice and accurate first impression. We finally got a petition and with all the names on that petition sent it to whoever was supposed to get petitions. I thought this all a waste of time but it came in real handy for the nurses a few weeks later who were assaulted. One was beaten and raped the other beaten and robbed. They no longer deal with idiots at hospitals and that hospital has just top of the line security today. Sad that we have so little value to some of these hospitals.

Big signs on doors of hospitals here "No weapons allowed". Grounds for firing. Also I would worry about the gun getting into the wrong hands and causing harm. Scrubs ----- where does one hide the gun? Can't leave it in nurse bag------may get into wrong person's hands.

Just curious.

Presumably, our danger is diminished once inside the hospital. (I am not so sure, since there is no attempt to screen people in the halls and all entrances to the place are wide open except at night, when they are locked, but not guarded.) A pistol can be put in a locker with a heavy duty lock in place. The other way to keep a gun safe is to NOT talk about it EVER.

Does anyone remember the Nursing Home massacres in North Carolina? Disgruntled ex-husband walks in with a pistol and starts executing helpless old people and one nurse that tried to stop him.

If anyone were to do that in our place it would be like the terrorist attack at Mumbai. It could go on and on and on until a swat team arrived. How many people can you shoot in the 10 to 15 minutes it would take police to respond?

Years ago when I worked in an ED, two nurses from the hospital were assaulted several weeks apart near the parking garage. One was raped. Security was increased after that.

I have no evidence, but my instinct tells me nurses coming and going on/off shift in deserted parking lots might be at a higher risk for assault. Predators are drawn to their desired prey and opportunity, and they have to know hospitals will have nurses (mostly women) coming and going in the dark and in vulnerable positions.

Yes I agree. The thugs know when the victims are going to be there. That gives them an advantage. The thug knows we're mostly female. Finally, the image of nurses has been sexualized, especially in Mediaography. That's why I mentioned Suzies XXX Adult Video Superstore just down the street.

Want to know something that is funny (in a sick way.) The parking lot at Suzies is lit up like a bright day at high noon. Our parking lot... not so much.

Maybe a taser or stun gun would be better than pepper spray?

Anything like that would be helpful. Maybe I can get the suppliers to come by and give us some demonstrations and/or answer questions.

I agree with the majority, find a new job. That is easier said than done though. Here's a suggestion, set up a free acount with surveymonkey.com. Create your own survey and get your coworkers to take it. If you could prove that say 70% of your coworkers felt unsafe, that might give you some ammo for change. Good luck!

Chris

Cool!

Specializes in Critical Care, Education.

Sounds like a potentially scary situation. Does your organization have a way to bring 'potentially unsafe' issues to the attention of your Risk Management department? If so, I would suggest going this route. That department is usually the one that has to deal with the fall-out from problems created by the cost-cutting geniuses.

FYI, if you have the responses (you described) in writing or in front of witnesses, that person is being very reckless with the organization's reputation and liability because those comments will certainly come to light if anything happens.

In the meantime I would suggest that you contact your local police department to provide training to deal with the situation. Most urban PDs provide this service. They can assess and recommend actions you can take to promote safety. At the very least, organize yourselves into 'escort groups' to ensure that no one makes the journey alone.

Best of Luck - stay safe!!!

Sounds like a potentially scary situation. Does your organization have a way to bring 'potentially unsafe' issues to the attention of your Risk Management department? If so, I would suggest going this route. That department is usually the one that has to deal with the fall-out from problems created by the cost-cutting geniuses.

FYI, if you have the responses (you described) in writing or in front of witnesses, that person is being very reckless with the organization's reputation and liability because those comments will certainly come to light if anything happens.

In the meantime I would suggest that you contact your local police department to provide training to deal with the situation. Most urban PDs provide this service. They can assess and recommend actions you can take to promote safety. At the very least, organize yourselves into 'escort groups' to ensure that no one makes the journey alone.

Best of Luck - stay safe!!!

I went to the crime statistics. There have been two thefts on streets adjacent to the hospital, almost on the campus, in the last 6 weeks.

Specializes in Oncology/Haemetology/HIV.

Want to know something that is funny (in a sick way.) The parking lot at Suzies is lit up like a bright day at high noon. Our parking lot... not so much.

Lay you odds that the female personnel (counter girls, peep show girls, strippers) are better protected by their employer, than the nursing staff at your hospital are.

Specializes in med-surg, psych, ER, school nurse-CRNP.
Lay you odds that the female personnel (counter girls, peep show girls, strippers) are better protected by their employer, than the nursing staff at your hospital are.

I'll take that bet.

Lay you odds that the female personnel (counter girls, peep show girls, strippers) are better protected by their employer, than the nursing staff at your hospital are.

Once talked with a guy who used to work for such a place. He escorted the ladies to their cars at the end of their shifts to insure their safety, so yes, the employer protects their female personnel in this type of business.

Specializes in Army Medic.

How many nurses do you have in your hospital?

If all else fails you can take it a step higher and write your city council.

Create a draft and distribute it to every nurse in the hospital, with an address to mail it out to - mail the letter every week.

I'm sure sooner or later you'll get some sort of positive response. :)

Our hospital has 800 beds. A new section was built and is slowly being moved into. So figure there are maybe 500 active beds. Between ICU and the other units, maybe there are 4 patients per nurse. (Probably closer to 3:1, but the math is easier with 4:1) So, at 1900 hours there are 100 nurses leaving and (because night shift nurses carry more patients on the non-ICU units) maybe slightly fewer nurses arriving. Throw in a lot of 12 hour non-nurse employees and you have a big flow of potential victims walking around in the dark.

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