CPAP: Use It And Live

The majority of patients I encounter in the ICU/CCU who have a diagnosis of sleep apnea do not use their CPAP machines. Those who DO use them seem to have better outcomes. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

I work in a cardiac intensive care unit; CCU and SICU together. As an ICU nurse, I'm well acquainted with the correlation between untreated sleep apnea and heart disease, stroke or sudden death. And I wish I had a dollar for every patient with "obstructive sleep apnea" listed as a diagnosis on their chart and no CPAP with them when they're admitted to the ICU.

Pauline (not her real name) came in for an MI, proceeded to have a CABG and then stroked while still in the ICU. Her history lists "sleep apnea." when asked if she brought her CPAP, she proudly held up a respironics bag. At bedtime, we opened it up and found an ancient CPAP machine and full face mask that may have fit her 100 pounds ago (did i mention that she was 5 foot 0 inches and weighed 140 kg.?) The humidifier was missing a part and the hose had toothmarks in it -- canine or feline toothmarks.

"When was the last time you used this," I asked, thinking that maybe this is her spare and her real machine is at home on her bedside table.

"Oh, I don't use it," she said. "I just brought it in because the office nurse told me I ought to."

Mentally slapping myself on the side of my head, I ask "why don't you use it?"

"i don't like having all that air forced into me," she says. Like that ventilator you're going to be stuck with is so much more comfortable? (I'm so proud that I managed to bite my tongue before actually saying this.) Sure enough, she failed her first three extubation attempts, got trached and is now in a long term care facility on a ventilator.

Hermann has a heartmate II ventricular assist device. He was readmitted not too long ago with a recurrent drive line infection. As part of the admission process, I went over his problem list with him -- and of course obstructive sleep apnea was listed. "did you bring your cpap?" I asked.

"i don't need to use it anymore," he said. "I have my heartmate now!" (for all of you nurses who haven't worked with heartmates, they're a left ventricular assist device. They're used as bridge to transplant, or even destination therapy for heart failure. Blood is routed from the left ventricle through the device and is returned to the aorta.)

Worse, when I read over his clinic notes, there was a note from a nurse practitioner stating something to the effect of "patient refuses to use CPAP at night. Instructed to use it for 2 or 3 hours during the day when he's watching TV, so he'll get at least some benefit from it." really? I doubt that the man is have sleep apnea while he's watching TV. By definition, one needs to be sleeping to have sleep apnea.

Then there was the man who came in for semi-elective valve surgery. Once again, obstructive sleep apnea was noted on his problem list. "did you bring your cpap?" I asked. "oh, no," exclaimed his wife. "He doesn't like it, so he never uses it." It's been five months and counting -- he's still in the ICU. The hypertension he developed subsequent to the untreated sleep apnea caused left ventricular hypertrophy and then he arrested post-op .

I was thrilled when last week's patient swore he used his CPAP faithfully. "I don't have it with me because I didn't think I needed it in the hospital and all," he explained. "But my wife can go home and get it."

His wife went home and got the CPAP. Interestingly enough, neither the patient or his wife had any idea how to set it up or how the mask fittings worked. What was he using the CPAP for? A paperweight? He's on his third admission for heart failure and they're talking transplant now. I wonder if some of his problems could have been avoided had he been actually using the CPAP he got four years ago.

It may be my imagination, but I swear there's a correlation between showing up with your CPAP and knowing how to use it and eventual outcome . . . Those that bring it and use it seem to do well and transfer out of the ICU promptly. Those who don't bring it, bring only parts of it, can't set it up or don't even pretend to use it usually do poorly. Maybe it's just that those who actually use their CPAP are more compliant patients in general, and compliant patients do better, but i swear that treating sleep apnea enhances patient outcomes.

The woman I admitted today -- with obstructive sleep apnea and heart disease -- claims she "has sleep apnea, but I don't need to use a CPAP. They told me I only had to use it at night, and I sleep during the day." I attempted to educate her on the correlation between sleep apnea and heart disease. "Oh," she said. "I guess I could use it, but it's just so difficult. You have no idea how difficult it is, strapping that thing on your face and trying to go to sleep."

I do know how difficult it is. I strap one on every night when i go to sleep -- and in the afternoon when I take a nap, too. It's uncomfortable, unsexy, inconvenient and unnatural. It just might save your life, though.

CPAP: use it and live.

I have sleep apnea as well. COMPLEX/MIXED sleep apnea to be specific! For those of you who don't know, that means a combination of obstructive and central. Had sinus surgery back in 2005 that supposedly [according to sleep doc and sleep study] brought my originally purely obstructive SA down to a level that didn't require treatment. In 2009, I begged them to give me a repeat sleep study b/c I felt like the sleep apnea was back. The docs poo-poo'ed me and said no no no, it's just season, it's winter and you're extra tired from the lack of sunlight. Well, I insisted and they finally ordered the study. SURE ENOUGH, results said now that my sleep apnea had gone untreated for years (due to my deviated septum returning to it's pre-op position etc), I had severe complex SA. Awesome. Now I wear a non-vented nasal pillow-only CPAP and it is one of my best friends :D To the original poster--yes, I definitely believe CPAP compliance directly relates to cardiac outcomes, etc. Low levels of oxygen for 8 hours [or however long you sleep] and the lack of restful sleep that so many body systems require to recuperate every night is soooo detrimental to everyone's health, whether they have apparent cardiac issues or not.

big kudos on writing this and big kudos to the other nurses who use their ownnn CPAPs faithfully!! :nurse: To those of you who don't, I swearrrr your life will improve tenfold or more!!! You are more rested, pleasant, clear-thinking etc.

Specializes in Subacute, ICU.

Thank you so much for this post! I work in a Sub-acute facility that only admits Ventilator Dependent Respiratory Failure patients. I see way to many patients that have obstructive sleep apnea with or without obesity who were non-compliant with their CPAPs and other regimens. Needless to say, they end up in my unit with VDRF and a laundry list of co-morbidities, sometimes with an inability to ever wean off their trach or vent. Strapping on that CPAP every night is a cake walk compared to a life on permanent Trach/Ventilator Therapy! Kudos for continuing to educate and intervene with your patients before it's too late :)

:yeah:

I have question for nurses that use them. Did it force you to move of your bedroom because it is noisy and keep your spouse awake?

We always play a rainshower CD, so any noise made by our (yes our) machines or masks is a non issue :)

I have had two of these things and could never use them. The first one was prescribed about 13 or 14 years ago, when I was still married. I was able to wear it for a few weeks and I did get better sleep with it for a while, but then it became so irritating to me that I was tearing it off when asleep and then later it just kept me up all night if I tried to use it.

Later my doc ordered a different one, with a gel mask and some kind of humidifier attached to it. I think I used it once or twice and that was enough for me. I think there are pieces of it in one of my closets.

I sleep alone nowadays although my daughter says that I snore sometimes (I'm a divorced dad who has sole custody). I don't believe her :-). I do know that if I sleep on my back it's not unusual to wake up gasping.

What to do? I don't know. I'm reluctant to mention it to my PCP; he'll order another (3rd!) sleep study and probably a CPAP that I can't tolerate. Back in the first go around the whole thing started because of muscular issues; the PCP sent me to a rheumatologist who felt that it was fibromyalgia and that sleep disturbances go along with that; the sleep specialist/neurologist said I had sleep apnea. Then we had a 3 way battle between the docs...the neurologist wanted me to have surgery in my throat for it; the rheum and the PCP strongly disagreed and wanted me to use meds and a CPAP. I gave up on all of it and just deal. If they could find another way to treat the apnea I'd be interested but the CPAP was completely unacceptable and I couldn't sleep at all with that thing on my nose and the air forced in.

Specializes in Psych.

You might talk to your doctor about a chin strap alone - sometimes in PACU we pushed up on the lower chin to raise O2 sats.

Please, please, try to find something that will work for you. Do some web surfing-the web site that another poster mentioned is excellent.

I have always snored, even when I weighed 120lbs. Of course I don't weigh that now but still! A few years ago, I started noticing that I was having difficulty with my memory (not good when you work ICU). When I would wake up in the mornings and every muscle in my body would ache as well as having severe headaches.

Anyway, had a sleep study and found out there was good reason for my difficulties. My oxygenation would drop at times to the 60s. We intubate people with better sats than that! Even now, I have nights where I take my mask off but 95% of the time it stays on. It was like turning on a light switch. The muscle pain, morning headaches, hypertension, decreased vision went away. I can tell that the hypoxia fried off a few brain cells but overall my memory is better.

Do I like wearing it? Heck no. For me it beats the alternative. Keep trying! Find a system that will work for you. There are other systems besides the nasal and full face mask. Good luck!

I have a question. My fater has sleep apena and states that he can not wear the cpap because it "collapses his sinuses" and he can not breathe.

He did recently undergo surgery to fix a deviated septum, but states he still can not wear the cpap.

Is this something that actually happens or is he being belligerent? (he has a history of that!)

Also what are some other options to help people with sleep apnea? Are there alternative therapies? Any information would be great!

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
i have a question. my fater has sleep apena and states that he can not wear the cpap because it "collapses his sinuses" and he can not breathe.

he did recently undergo surgery to fix a deviated septum, but states he still can not wear the cpap.

is this something that actually happens or is he being belligerent? (he has a history of that!)

also what are some other options to help people with sleep apnea? are there alternative therapies? any information would be great!

actually cpap forces open the airway so you can breathe. the first few times you put it on, however, it seems as though it's a lot of work to breathe because you have to exhale against the pressure.

if you're looking for good information, try http://cpaptalk.com. the wonderful folks there helped me through my first few months of cpap and i'm sure they can help you or your father, too.

Specializes in Med/surg, ER/ED,rehab ,nursing home.

I had problems with my nasal allergy, which clogged my nose. Using a CPAP just was not working. Finally I was put on a decongestant, and singular. Other than having a cold, my nose stays open and I can use the CPAP. Sometimes just using a full face mask will do the job. But for me I really had a hard time learning to breath out against the pressure of my machine...which was set at 12. It took me nearly 3 months of being hard headed ....I WAS NOT GOING TO FAIL AT USING MY CPAP. I use it faithfully. I have had about 4 machines in the 20 yrs I have had apnea. My husband is now on one. His is set at 17. He did not have any problems getting used to it. He no longer falls asleep behind the wheel or at work. So I would think that your issue with your father? not using the CPAP may only be that he has not been fitted with the proper mask and his nasal congestion has not been addressed. Let him know he will be much happier and have more energy, sleep better, too.

Specializes in Labor/Delivery, Pediatrics, Peds ER.

My husband has Central Sleep Apnea and he is pretty good about using his CPAP, but he has allergies as well, and when he has difficulty he doesn't use it. He also refuses to travel with it. :( He tells me his therapists told him that as long as he uses it 5 or 6 hours a night that is good. I never know what to think of that. I'm glad he uses it as much as he does, but my dad died of OSA right after being diagnosed and before being put on treatment, so I'm always afraid. I try not to think about it as he is stubborn as a mule and my talking about it never changes anything. Thanks for your article - I will email it to him. :redpinkhe

Specializes in ICU, Hospice.
Just like the American Express card ad: Don't leave home without it, my CPAP travels where ever I go, including AN headquarters.

The machine is the size of a large tissue box, found Profile lite gel masks work best and saved my life past 16 years .

Only time not worn is during power outage--- then I'm praying for the electric company's quick fix.

My husband and I each wear a CPAP. We invested in a small generator. Runs the refrigerator and our CPAPs. Considered the small travel models with built in batteries but decided we may not have them charged when we need them. :twocents: :)

Specializes in Case Management.

Love this post. I too wear a CPAP. I hate it. It took me several weeks to get used to the idea of having to wear it. I have tried numerous masks trying to find the right fit and one that doesnt give me pressure ulcers all over my face. Sometimes I do fall asleep without it on, and I can really tell the difference. I am a strong advocate for my patients and CPAP usage. I work in an ambulatory care setting and everytime I see sleep apnea listed as a diagnosis, I open a dialogue about it with the patient. I dont know if it makes a difference for them, but I would like to think that it does. Also, alot of doctors are not on the bandwagon with CPAP. I see patients all the time, obese, diabetic, hypertensive, etc, etc..complaining of depression, fatigue, headaches...the first thought in my head is sleep apnea? I have suggested this a few times to different docs, but have learned to treed lightly with some docs. They dont appreciate nurse's knowledge.;)