Controversial Michael Moore Flick 'Sicko' Will Compare U.S. Health Care with Cuba's

HM2VikingRN, RN · Aug 22, 2007

I will be going to Canada for a family reunion in a couple of days and I plan to interview all my Canadian reletives about what they think of their national healthcare. When I get back on Tuesday I will honestly let you all know what they said, I plan to write down their comments so as not to forget anything.There is a possibility that a couple of German reletives may attend, I hope so, then I can get their opinion on the German national healthcare also.

very well stated! Where have you been hiding? I have missed your posts!

allnurses Guide · Aug 22, 2007

I will be going to Canada for a family reunion in a couple of days and I plan to interview all my Canadian reletives about what they think of their national healthcare. When I get back on Tuesday I will honestly let you all know what they said, I plan to write down their comments so as not to forget anything.There is a possibility that a couple of German reletives may attend, I hope so, then I can get their opinion on the German national healthcare also.

Make sure you ask it in a non-controversial way.

And have fun . . . I love family reunions. Well, with the fun side of the family (my dh's - NOT mine).

steph

HM2VikingRN, RN · Aug 22, 2007

HM2VikingRN, RN · Aug 22, 2007

Could you elaborate?
Where? When?

Especially when you consider this article:

Studies by the Government Accountability Office and the Congressional Budget Office both confirm this surprising fact - the administrative simplicity of a single universal insurance pool, such as Medicare, yields savings that allow comprehensive coverage for all at current levels of spending. A tax-based public system is simple and efficient. There is simply a lot less work to do.
How do we know it can be done? Because every other western industrial democracy already has a national health insurance program, each has managed to cover all their citizens at about half of what we spend and they still have better health outcomes than the U.S.
Business owners should realize that the health-care system provides the maintenance on their work force, just as other experts provide maintenance on their expensive and complex industrial and business machinery.
It makes good sense to get the most comprehensive maintenance system for the best price. More for the same money - value - is what tax-financed universal health insurance system can provide. Those businesses avoiding the cost of insuring their employees are the recipients of cost shifting. This occurs through higher taxes to fund indigent care and higher prices paid when doing business with companies who continue to insure their employees and pass along the costs shifted to them in the price of their products.

http://alternet.org/workplace/60312/?page=2

marvelous_truth · Aug 22, 2007

"The overwhelming majority of people who make up the liberal and progressive groups of this country believe in democracy, and NOT in communism. We believe that the two cannot be reconciled here in the United States, and we believe that every effort should be exerted to make democracy work, and to extend its benefits to every person in every community throughout the land." Olivia Dehavilland
There in lies a problem. the overwhelming majority do not believe in a Constitutional republic, and NOT democracy, or other proven flawed and fatal forms of immoral government including communism and other isms..

pickledpepperRN · Aug 22, 2007

Maybe it depends on which definition you are thinking of.

de-moc-ra-cy

Pronunciation: di-'mä-kr&-sE

Function: noun

Inflected Form(s): plural -cies

Etymology: Middle French democratie, from Late Latin democratia, from Greek dEmokratia, from dEmos + -kratia -cracy

1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

2 : a political unit that has a democratic government

3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the United States

4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority

5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges

http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

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Republic? Democracy? What's the Difference?

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3388

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Republic or Democracy, Republican or Democrat

http://www.il-democrats.org/ilrepordem.html

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Republic or Democracy?

http://www.il-democrats.org/repordemrebuttal.html

marvelous_truth · Aug 22, 2007

Maybe it depends on which definition you are thinking of.
de-moc-ra-cy
Pronunciation: di-'mä-kr&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -cies
Etymology: Middle French democratie, from Late Latin democratia, from Greek dEmokratia, from dEmos + -kratia -cracy
1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
2 : a political unit that has a democratic government
3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the United States
4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority
5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges
http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
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Republic? Democracy? What's the Difference?
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3388
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Republic or Democracy, Republican or Democrat
http://www.il-democrats.org/ilrepordem.html
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Republic or Democracy?
http://www.il-democrats.org/repordemrebuttal.html

Yes good point, as most can not even describe any defining principles or universal meaning to liberal, conservative, democrat, republican, right, left. etc.

Unfortunately as explained in the article you posted...

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3388

many use the word democracy :nono:like using the word apple to describe an orange. Which as desrcibed would be infinately less of a problem than the mistaken use of the word democracy for a republic. However It could almost be stated that we do have a socialist democracy now, but originated from a Constitutional Republic, which is a more moral and legitimate form of government.

ok so this message could be taught to Moore and Bush and Co as well as many others can it not? But then again I expect many do not care as long as they have a 6 pack and a football game.

BBFRN, BSN, PhD · Aug 22, 2007

Yes good point, as most can not even describe any defining principles or universal meaning to liberal, But then again I expect many do not care as long as they have a 6 pack and a football game.

You seem to have a disdain for the general populace (calling people sheeple, gangs, etc. for example, as well as the quote above).

One thing I have learned in a long time of nursing is that people have more in common than not. One day you may get a grasp of that. Nursing gives you a concentrated view of the human experience, and even Joe Blow with the 6 pack and football game has the right to be respected as a person.

If you can't empathize with or feel a connection to humanity at large, why on Earth do you want to be a nurse? Why do you want to take care of people who you view as sheep, gangs, blind to 'reality', etc.? I'm sorry, but the majority of your posts convey a feeling that you feel you are the smartest person in the room, and everyone else needs to wake up and get with your program.

And just so you know, this is coming from the daughter of a long time member of the John Birch Society and Baptist preacher. My father also has an extensive gun collection in his basement, and believes 911 was an inside job. :uhoh3: If this describes you as well, some might consider you a sheep.

teeituptom, BSN, RN · Aug 22, 2007

cute cartoon

marvelous_truth · Aug 22, 2007

You seem to have a disdain for the general populace (calling people sheeple, gangs, etc. for example, as well as the quote above).
One thing I have learned in a long time of nursing is that people have more in common than not. One day you may get a grasp of that. Nursing gives you a concentrated view of the human experience, and even Joe Blow with the 6 pack and football game has the right to be respected as a person.
If you can't empathize with or feel a connection to humanity at large, why on Earth do you want to be a nurse? Why do you want to take care of people who you view as sheep, gangs, blind to 'reality', etc.? I'm sorry, but the majority of your posts convey a feeling that you feel you are the smartest person in the room, and everyone else needs to wake up and get with your program.
And just so you know, this is coming from the daughter of a long time member of the John Birch Society and Baptist preacher. My father also has an extensive gun collection in his basement, and believes 911 was an inside job. If this describes you as well, some might consider you a sheep.

Respect for idividuals and people is different than respecting their behavior, wrong doings and ignorance to principles of freedom and disrespect to those that gave them freedom. Truth and principles of freedom are universal and are not excluded from Nursing. I love my children but I dont respect their bad behaviors. and dont mind informing them of such. Its my role as a parent and likewise my role as a true patriot that would prefer the preservation or more correctly restoration of liberty and freedom for my children and future generations, rather than current thought of expecting government to provide comforts for us now at their expense and future bondage.

Hats off to your fathers noble activities.

BBFRN, BSN, PhD · Aug 22, 2007

So, when you start nursing school, are you going to get need-based financial aid? These would be socialist programs, would they not? Have you filled out a FAFSA?

I would really be interested in seeing how many people who oppose UHC received/are receiving need-based financial aid (Pell grants, etc.) in nursing school. Is this not another social program that enables people to lift themselves up, better themselves, thus bettering society as a whole? How is this different from UHC in principle?

BBFRN, BSN, PhD · Aug 22, 2007

I love my children but I dont respect their bad behaviors. and dont mind informing them of such. Its my role as a parent and likewise my role as a true patriot that would prefer the preservation or more correctly restoration of liberty and freedom for my children and future generations, rather than current thought of expecting government to provide comforts for us now at their expense and future bondage.
Hats off to your fathers noble activities.

You sound just like my father. Maybe that's why you chap my hide so much. On a side note, none of his children talk to him now.

You use the same buzz words (bondage, true statesman, blind sheep, etc.). It gives off red flags, and the feeling that one is brainwashed, and is spouting propaganda that has been reinforced over and over.

The restoration of previous levels of liberty and freedom to you, may equal religious, racial, and gender intolerance to others. Do you want to restore that as well? I'm guessing that you are a white male?