Considering Quitting my Job

PsyTracey · Mar 31, 2020

The debate about airborne particles is a hot one. WHO just updated to state that under normal conditions the droplets are too heavy to linger in air and only produce aerosol under treatment conditions. They did not test this theory; rather they looked at the evidence from an existing study that used pressured aerosol and a drum catch, And invalidated it because they said it doesn’t mimic real life conditions. To my knowledge, they did not conduct studies to support this, they just denounced the existing study. That is not science based. I fault no nurse for leaving the bedside; we are not being protected.

litepath2 · Apr 2, 2020

On 3/27/2020 at 1:40 PM, Tdmoudry said:
Rather than quitting, request to be moved to another assignment without isolation due to inappropriate PPE availability. If they refuse, they have to send you home and if they terminate you- you will get unemployment bc everyone knows there's a PPE shortage and OSHA would cover you. I would not resign. I would let them fire me in this instance. Your safety comes first and if they can't let you be safe they owe you unemployment. Don't let them push you out without a penny.

Most States require notification of the nursing Board if an RN is fired. Also, once BON takes action or even if pending action you will not be able to be licensed in another state.

Additionally, Lets say you were working in PA and also licensed in GA, And Ala. when PA decided to investigate you over firing. The Other state BON's are required by law to also investigate you due to you being licensed in their States.

This all falls under Adminstrative Law. And, yes friends it is a world of SUCK.

Quit! Do not be fired!

Silver_Rik, ASN, BSN, RN · Apr 2, 2020

5 hours ago, litepath2 said:
Most States require notification of the nursing Board if an RN is fired. Also, once BON takes action or even if pending action you will not be able to be licensed in another state.
Additionally, Lets say you were working in PA and also licensed in GA, And Ala. when PA decided to investigate you over firing. The Other state BON's are required by law to also investigate you due to you being licensed in their States.
This all falls under Adminstrative Law. And, yes friends it is a world of SUCK.
Quit! Do not be fired!

I’m not going to dig through every state NPA but this isn’t true. Also, report doesn’t mean official investigation. I guess it might be the law in some states, but I doubt most get any more attention than “fired for calling calling off too many times? Okay, round file. Now this fired for diverting and dealing in the hospital parking lot? Different story”

there are employers who report every nurse terminated and use it to intimidate nurses. BON investigators HATE those employers.

MamaBearLPN, LPN · Apr 2, 2020

I’ve been out of work for over a year staying home with my babies I recently went back PRN (before all the craziness) I don’t plan on picking up any shifts until this all settles down! My kids need me & I’m not risking my life & more importantly I’m not risking exposing my family to this virus due to lack of protection!

munkyfusic · Apr 3, 2020

If y'all aren't already union, I think now would be the absolute best time to consider organizing your workplace.

litepath2 · Apr 3, 2020

17 hours ago, Silver_Rik said:
I’m not going to dig through every state NPA but this isn’t true. Also, report doesn’t mean official investigation. I guess it might be the law in some states, but I doubt most get any more attention than “fired for calling calling off too many times? Okay, round file. Now this fired for diverting and dealing in the hospital parking lot? Different story”
there are employers who report every nurse terminated and use it to intimidate nurses. BON investigators HATE those employers.

Oh? Which part isn't true? BoN's license and punish.

You can doubt all you want about the BoN's of differing states and you may get lucky on one or two. Otherwise I stand by my statements in full.

Doubt me? Look up Administrative Law for Nurses.

Also, suggest reading the BoN threads here at Allnurses.

Silver_Rik, ASN, BSN, RN · Apr 3, 2020

10 hours ago, litepath2 said:
Oh? Which part isn't true? BoN's license and punish.
You can doubt all you want about the BoN's of differing states and you may get lucky on one or two. Otherwise I stand by my statements in full.
Doubt me? Look up Administrative Law for Nurses.
Also, suggest reading the BoN threads here at Allnurses.

Of course BoN's license nurses and punish those who violate their nurse practice acts.

The part that isn't true is that most state's have laws that require employers to report every nurse that is fired from a job to the BON for possible investigation regardless of the reason for termination.

litepath2 · Apr 4, 2020

Hey I'm all good.

tuorum periculo

Nurselexii · Apr 4, 2020

On 4/2/2020 at 8:34 AM, litepath2 said:
Most States require notification of the nursing Board if an RN is fired. Also, once BON takes action or even if pending action you will not be able to be licensed in another state.
Additionally, Lets say you were working in PA and also licensed in GA, And Ala. when PA decided to investigate you over firing. The Other state BON's are required by law to also investigate you due to you being licensed in their States.
This all falls under Adminstrative Law. And, yes friends it is a world of SUCK.
Quit! Do not be fired!

Just curious, nurses get fired all the time (for various reasons) a certain amount of abscences is a fireable offence . Are you saying if a nurse gets fired for something like 4 unexcused abscences in a 3 month period, they get reported to the BON and then the BON takes action against their license, this is more of a clarification post, because its news to me.

2Ask · Apr 4, 2020

I know of a hospital which is using reusable N99 masks on the COVID floors.

In between patients, the nurse wipes the exposed part of the mask down with purple top wipes. At the end of the shift, the nurse washes the mask with soap and water in preparation for use by the next shift. They attend an inservice and fitting.

In light of the problems with PPE, I think we should go to each nurse acquiring our own reusable mask -much like we do our stethoscope- but from a list of "approved" models.

The mask in use looks something like this:

Don't go buy your own though. Hospital policy only allows "CDC approved" masks for infection prevention.

One hospital where I worked used washable gowns which were washed in house in the laundry room, We can return to that and hire extra laundry personnel in an emergency,

litepath2 · Apr 5, 2020

17 hours ago, Nurselexii said:
Just curious, nurses get fired all the time (for various reasons) a certain amount of abscences is a fireable offence . Are you saying if a nurse gets fired for something like 4 unexcused abscences in a 3 month period, they get reported to the BON and then the BON takes action against their license, this is more of a clarification post, because its news to me.

Good Question. What you/we ought to do is find out if your State BoN requires reportage. Mine does here in GA. No matter what you're fired for, Fired=fired.

If they see it's for missed absences, then maybe they do nothing. Maybe they have an investigator call you. Or maybe they simply send you a warning letter. Did the firing agency send a letter that states they also think you may be struggling with drink? woops! Standby.

What some here obviously do not know is the whole BoN thing is based on someone else reporting you. Meaning, it's an allegation/accusation.

If you get an accusation/allegation against you, it's up to you to prove the negative. In other words, prove it's not true.

Reading threads on this subject, 'BoN problems' here at allnurses you'll find that 90% or more are legit addicts, diverters, drinkers, etc. But there is another percent there unrecognized. And that is the legit nurse who simply ran afoul of someone else. Firing probably fits there as do false accusations or legitimate accusations that are admin in nature. No matter, all of those in the end have to prove a negative. Unless you'll admit to the drug addiction/diversion & etc.

And as stated by me early on. If ANY OF THIS happens to you in damn near any State, and you happen to be licensed in another state as well, the other States BoN WILL investigate you-> TOO! ? That's right! They will investigate you for an action taken in another State.

Administrative Law is what that's filed under. It's like the gift that keeps on giving.

HTH

Silver_Rik, ASN, BSN, RN · Apr 5, 2020

21 hours ago, Nurselexii said:
Just curious, nurses get fired all the time (for various reasons) a certain amount of abscences is a fireable offence . Are you saying if a nurse gets fired for something like 4 unexcused abscences in a 3 month period, they get reported to the BON and then the BON takes action against their license, this is more of a clarification post, because its news to me.

It’s possible some states have this rule, but it’s not even true in Georgia where Litepath practices and I will provide the exact wording straight from the GA nurse practice act