is it considered abandonment if no call no show?

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this nursing home i'm working treats staff really badly. this particular have a high turnover and they wont fire nurses for big mistakes like lying that she gave medication to patient when patient is loa etc... this place will manipulate and treat you like a dirt. i'm so disgusted that i"m working here and i want to get out of this place.. i want to treat them exactly the way they treated me by just not showing up for work.. but is it considered abandonment in michigan?

Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.
this nursing home i'm working treats staff really badly.

how are things going for you today? this discussion was originally posted in april 2008, so i assume that you no longer work at this place three years later.

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How are things going for you today? This discussion was originally posted in April 2008, so I assume that you no longer work at this place three years later.

Wow, these threads are that old, and still up? Interesting

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No call no show won't hurt management, just your shiftmates and your

patients! Case in point: last night a cna ( who was probably gonna get fired

anyway) no call no showed. This left only 3 cnas for 74 patients. We were

scheduled 5, but because of patient to cna ratios 1 cna was cancelled at the

last minute. A cna didn't show up and wouldn't answer his phone. Thanks to

him my coworkers and I had 24-25 patients a piece. I had 19 changes! I work

11-7 so I'm used to 15-18 patients, but at most will have 14 changes. Needless

to say the shift was excruciating. As for the cancelled cna, she refused to come

in, and I can't blame her. If this cna isn't fired for this I will be ******. Do the

right thing and give proper notice. Your coworkers and patients will be very

thankful for your professionalism.;)

Just curious why you resurrected a 3 year old thread? How would you even find something this old which is surely pages and pages and pages back?

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Specializes in geriatrics( ltc snf and sub acute((.

By using the search bar. I was looking becuz a coworker nocall noshowed and

was wondering how others dealt with coworkers that did this.

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NCNS is not abandonment since you didn't accept your assignment yet....just bad employment etiquette and grounds for termination, depending on how many your facility allows before considering you history...

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I hate being the only negative nurse on this site but.......Management does not give workers courtesy advance notice that they are letting you go! As if I dont like to live in a house made of bricks instead of cardboard...lol! Management is petty and immature! My journey will not be your journey as a new nurse I may make mistakes but I need to learn from them as we all do. I say do what makes you happy it may not be the best advice but some of us learn by trial and error we all are not chiefs or perfectionists. Everyone is on here stating how immature they think it is ( yeah probably in hindsight right?) Management are the ones that come up with nurse to patient ratios anyway right? Thank God we dont all think alike or management could get away with any and everthing in the name of professionalism? Im just feeling a bit anti management right now if they cared so much about patients they would create better working environments with working equipment and control the rumor mills and back stabbing! And that is evidence based knowledge.

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i hate being the only negative nurse on this site but.......management does not give workers courtesy advance notice that they are letting you go! as if i dont like to live in a house made of bricks instead of cardboard...lol! management is petty and immature! my journey will not be your journey as a new nurse i may make mistakes but i need to learn from them as we all do. i say do what makes you happy it may not be the best advice but some of us learn by trial and error we all are not chiefs or perfectionists. everyone is on here stating how immature they think it is ( yeah probably in hindsight right?) management are the ones that come up with nurse to patient ratios anyway right? thank god we dont all think alike or management could get away with any and everthing in the name of professionalism? im just feeling a bit anti management right now if they cared so much about patients they would create better working environments with working equipment and control the rumor mills and back stabbing! and that is evidence based knowledge.

mighty broad brush you are painting with. i'm sure there are many nightmare stories out there about management, but it's patently false to apply that statement as a given. i've had very good experiences with management-anyone struggling is given help and second chances to make mistakes right. anyone i've ever known at my jobs was fired with plenty of notice in the form of numerous "warnings" and offers of help to get on the ball or solve whatever problem was occurring. being fired was always a last and regrettable choice.

i know that i've been really lucky in my employment-my hospital nurse manager was one of the most amazing people i've ever known, and the ceo of our hospital was incredible, setting high yet fair standards starting with himself. if someone with a close minded "management is the enemy" and "i'm all about making myself happy" attitude had come to my unit, they would have probably blinded themselves to the the fact that we had pretty darn good management and we all worked as a team to give the best care to our patients. the culture established by our management made it a pleasure to work there-not saying every day was perfect-and the teamwork attitude we carried amongst ourselves would have been severely disrupted by a worker who was only out for themselves. those are the ones who call in at the last minute even though they know they are going to cause hardship to their coworkers and patients, they aren't flexible with regard to scheduling but are quick to ask others to cover for them, or worse, do a no call no show. and then justify it by saying that since management has no loyalty to them, they aren't going to lose any sleep over it. i do find that unprofessional and immature.

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Give them at least 12 hour notice.....They should be able to find some body with in 12hours...

I don't believe in a no call, no show b/c it will hurt your coworkers and possibly patients....

but I'd rather you do a no call, no show rather than lose your license or potentially kill somebody or hurt somebody on the job bc you are that stressed out.

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Specializes in LTC.
Maybe not abondonment, but it is immature IMO. Not a good idea to burn bridges that you may need to cross later. Not to be harsh, If you do not want to work there, turn in a notice like a professional. IN the end, the patients and your co-workers will suffer from your absentism, not management.

^ This. We had a nurse pull this stunt and it was the staff nurses on that day who had to stay and work a double that suffered, not management.

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@ Horseshoe I call it how I have seen or experienced it. You may have always had a wonderful relationship with your management staff and that is wonderful! But dont come on here and attack me for simply stating my opinion. It is just that my opinion and nothing else. It is not a manual for how things should be....lol could you imagine that? Anyway I do understand that your experience in nursing is not mine but between the two of us there will be some out there that will agree with you as well as those that will agree with me. I appreciate differences and love to hear and see things from other point of views. I did not post anything here to offend anyone just thought I could state my opinion.

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@ horseshoe i call it how i have seen or experienced it. you may have always had a wonderful relationship with your management staff and that is wonderful! but dont come on here and attack me for simply stating my opinion. it is just that my opinion and nothing else. it is not a manual for how things should be....lol could you imagine that? anyway i do understand that your experience in nursing is not mine but between the two of us there will be some out there that will agree with you as well as those that will agree with me. i appreciate differences and love to hear and see things from other point of views. i did not post anything here to offend anyone just thought i could state my opinion.

oh good grief-"attack you for stating your opinion?!" uh, no. i did state that i know i was lucky in my job. there was no attack on you, only stating that you are making a false and unfair generalization.

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Specializes in NICU.

A no call/no show was automatic termination at the grocery store I worked at in high school.

If they don't have the courtesy to call in, because they're fed up with the way they're treated, then they need to move on and find a new place of employment.

Mama always say treat others the way you want to be treated.

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