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Concealed Carry...as a nurse?

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mcknis specializes in Med Surg, ER, OR.

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Do you have a concealed carry license?

  1. 1. Do you have a concealed carry license?

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      Yes, although it stays in the car/home while at work.
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      Yes, it is always on me no matter where I am.
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      No, I do not see the need.

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All joking aside, America needs to get with the rest of the world. New Zealand finally decided to, and we should follow. Barring certain extreme circumstances no one needs a gun. Period.

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JK123 has 10 years experience and specializes in Informatics/Med Surg/Psych.

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I really like the second paragraph of the original post.

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MnemonicFanatic specializes in keeping all options open right now..

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I have a carry permit and I carry everywhere within my state. When I carry on my person. I have a holster that attaches to my bra and is basically out of the way, not visible and no one knows I have it unless I tell them. It can easily be gotten to, and no, it doesn't pinch the girls or poke anything uncomfortably. When at work, its in my bag, behind the desk, in a drawer. (I work in a SNF that has quite a few 24hr businesses within a block or two, and the homeless will bother you if you are walking in the parking lot. 

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hppygr8ful has 18 years experience as a ASN, RN, EMT-I and specializes in Psych, Addictions, Elder Care, L&D.

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On 4/30/2020 at 10:46 PM, MnemonicFanatic said:

I have a carry permit and I carry everywhere within my state. When I carry on my person. I have a holster that attaches to my bra and is basically out of the way, not visible and no one knows I have it unless I tell them. It can easily be gotten to, and no, it doesn't pinch the girls or poke anything uncomfortably. When at work, its in my bag, behind the desk, in a drawer. (I work in a SNF that has quite a few 24hr businesses within a block or two, and the homeless will bother you if you are walking in the parking lot. 

I am not sure I would carry at work. I work psych and we have a number of highly unstable patients that come to the facility as walk ins. Many can seem very aggressive and frightening but one cannot just pull out a gun and shoot them. You would have to prove that you were in genuine fear for your life. In California (not an open carry state)  under penal code 417 you can be charged with a felony and face no less than 16 months and no longer than 3 years of incarceration for simply brandishing a firearm.

I am actually a proponent of open carry. Where what you carry is seen by all. After-all "an armed society is a polite society" Robert Heinlein.

Hppy 

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12 hours ago, hppygr8ful said:

I am not sure I would carry at work. I work psych and we have a number of highly unstable patients that come to the facility as walk ins. Many can seem very aggressive and frightening but one cannot just pull out a gun and shoot them. You would have to prove that you were in genuine fear for your life. In California (not an open carry state)  under penal code 417 you can be charged with a felony and face no less than 16 months and no longer than 3 years of incarceration for simply brandishing a firearm.

I am actually a proponent of open carry. Where what you carry is seen by all. After-all "an armed society is a polite society" Robert Heinlein.

Hppy 

Like anything else, it’s situational - a psych environment where you think someone might actually lay hands on you unexpectedly would be different from a snf where the patients might not be the fear, but perhaps the facility isn’t particularly secure & the fear is that banditos might pop in when staffing is low and try to empty your narc drawer/cabinet.  

I experienced a situation recently where a patient claimed to have a gun and explicitly threatened to come in and “shoot the place up”..  management’s solution was to hire an unarmed guard to be present during the patient’s scheduled appointment time..  🙃

Staff was instructed to “hide” if the patient did actually come in with a gun. Senior management requested that affected staff tell the patient we “didn’t have any hard feelings” - that request was declined emphatically..   

As for “no one needs a gun”, - America is well beyond that possibility.  a low estimate is that there are 120 guns here for every 100 people, and nice guns can be manufactured with inexpensive tools that cannot be regulated effectively.  

Harbor Freight has a mill on sale right now for $499 that can (conservatively) produce half a dozen quality AR15’s in a day, in anyone’s garage - with less training time required than an AHA BLS class.  Guns just aren’t that complicated, and tools aren’t that expensive anymore.  

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11blade is a RN and specializes in OR.

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On 1/30/2013 at 12:10 AM, AngelfireRN said:

As was said, I am within my rights, within the law, and bring the weapon inside only upon the request of my supervising physician. And those are the only entities I need to please.

I hope you have consulted your own personal attorney to make that statement. In the event of a worst case scenario, you shooting someone at your job site, are you SURE they will back you up? Does your employer have a gun carry policy? Does is specifically authorize you to carry a weapon on premises 'if requested' or is it the usual blanket 'no guns by anyone' policy. Your employers Liability Insurance policy costs a LOT more to have you on premises toting a gun around. These questions are better answered BEFORE there is an incident, not  after when your doc and employer are standing in front of the TV camera denying they said that to you..just saying.

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5 hours ago, 11blade said:

I hope you have consulted your own personal attorney to make that statement. In the event of a worst case scenario, you shooting someone at your job site, are you SURE they will back you up? Does your employer have a gun carry policy? Does is specifically authorize you to carry a weapon on premises 'if requested' or is it the usual blanket 'no guns by anyone' policy. Your employers Liability Insurance policy costs a LOT more to have you on premises toting a gun around. These questions are better answered BEFORE there is an incident, not  after when your doc and employer are standing in front of the TV camera denying they said that to you..just saying.

Do you actually have any factual information that an employer liability policy “costs a lot more” if employees are licensed and lawfully armed concealed carriers?  
 

Does a paint store or a carpet store get a big discount on Liability Insurance simply for hanging up a “no guns” sign? 
 

As for the advice of an attorney- are we talking about a civil attorney, or a criminal defense attorney?  
 

Keep in mind, we’re talking about employees who aren’t intentionally committing criminal acts.  Rule number one in every firearms class I’ve been to - is expect to get sued civilly, and to have to prove yourself innocent if the gun ever has to come out.  

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I would rather protect myself and live to defend my actions than be killed doing company policy. 

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hppygr8ful has 18 years experience as a ASN, RN, EMT-I and specializes in Psych, Addictions, Elder Care, L&D.

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On 5/5/2020 at 5:01 AM, rzyzzy said:

 nice guns can be manufactured with inexpensive tools that cannot be regulated effectively.  

 

I haven't visited this thread in a while but I have to know what a "nice" is?

I have several very nice guns and nine were manufactured with inexpensive tools. Are you perhaps speaking of ghost guns which a person and buy and assemble at home with a phillip's head screw driver. 

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11blade is a RN and specializes in OR.

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14 hours ago, rzyzzy said:

Do you actually have any factual information that an employer liability policy “costs a lot more” if employees are licensed and lawfully armed concealed carriers?  
 

Does a paint store or a carpet store get a big discount on Liability Insurance simply for hanging up a “no guns” sign? 
 

As for the advice of an attorney- are we talking about a civil attorney, or a criminal defense attorney?  
 

Keep in mind, we’re talking about employees who aren’t intentionally committing criminal acts.  Rule number one in every firearms class I’ve been to - is expect to get sued civilly, and to have to prove yourself innocent if the gun ever has to come out.  

I can't give you an exact quote on commercial Liability Insurance, I would have to get that from an agent. I have discussed this with my personal insurance agent who doesn't write commercial.

Civil vs criminal attorney? Depends on what you do with the gun when you whip it out.

Reason out what you are implying about pulling out a gun on premises of any employer (paint store, donut shop, hospital) that has a written no-gun policy.

I've attached a reference for your edification.....

https://www.associatedbrc.com/Resources/Resource-Library/Resource-Library-Article/ArtMID/666/ArticleID/610/Conceal-carry-As-an-employer-what%E2%80%99s-your-liability

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