Comparing how news media headlines and reports on the same story

Roitrn · Apr 7, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

So if you just want clarification why wouldn't you use the member's words rather than asking about something that the member DID NOT SAY and DID NOT IMPLY? This suggests that you either 1) have trouble with reading comprehension or 2) are trying to imply something about the member's beliefs or thinking.

I can't decide which it is.

Which comments suggest that Christians are the only religion to have facets that oppose LGBTQ? Quote them.

Have you ever heard of PTSD? Do you think that hurt people sometimes act out in very unhealthy ways? Or is that just some kind of excuse?

I did asked a question for clarification instead of assuming what they meant.

Yes. I have heard of PTSD . It effects millions of people. However millions of people with PTSD do not go about shooting up schools. I assume that's what you are referring to with this comment. I would ask for a clarification but I already know how that goes....

This person could have become a domestic terrorist from personal experiences she had within the Christan church. Or experienced discrimination related to her identity. This person could have also been radicalized by far left activist who had her believe that people are out shooting and killing trans-folk in the streets. A sentiment shared on this very forum by another member. Or the far left propaganda falsely using the word "genocide" to the trans community. Or incitement to violence "Trans-day of Vengemce".

I am willing to consider this person had been discriminated against for her identity which may have contributed to her terrorism. However I do not believe you can consider any other contributing factor. Like increased extremism or anything really from the left.

Roitrn · Apr 7, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

Your comment that I quoted didn't cite a source. It was just your opinion.

https://freebeacon.com/media/yes-the-media-bury-the-race-of-murderers-if-theyre-not-white/

This was what I intended to source.

toomuchbaloney · Apr 8, 2023

Roitrn said:

https://freebeacon.com/media/yes-the-media-bury-the-race-of-murderers-if-theyre-not-white/

This was what I intended to source.

Yeah...The Washington Free Beacon is not my cup of tea... it is too overly biased for my tastes. I'm not interested in trying to fact check their "review".

From Allsides:

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An August 2022 Small Group Editorial Review by AllSides panelists on the left, center, and right returned a Right rating for the Washington Free Beacon. The panel found some Right bias indicators in the Washington Free Beacon, such as sensationalism, spin, and stories framing President Joe Biden and Democrats negatively.

AllSides panelists noted several instances of slant, with headlines reading, "Biden Promised To Restore 'Respected Leadership on the World Stage.’ Swing Voters Say He's Done the Opposite," and, "Tale of Two Admins: Trump Admin Paying Political Consultants Raised 'Ethical Questions,’ But No Big Deal For Biden.” Much of the news coverage employed negativity bias in its characterization of the Biden administration's policies in relation to topics like inflation and energy. One section of their news content is labeled "Democrats" and features articles with headlines such as, "Anti-Israel Dems Can't Stop Blaming Their Primary Losses on the Jews.”

A reviewer on the right noted the use of subjective qualifying adjectives and spin in headlines: "Far-Left Commentator Slurs Black Republican Senate Candidate" and "Iran Boasts It's 'One Step Away' From Nuclear Weapon To 'Turn New York Into Ruins and Hell.’” One article was critical of "diversity, equity and inclusion" efforts of the American Board of Internal Medicine Foundation, saying such efforts "raise obvious concerns" such as "hypersensitivity, self-censorship, and language policing.”

The Washington Free Beacon named Steve Simon, CEO of the Women's Tennis Association, their 2021 Man of the Year for "showing the world how easy it is to treat genocidal communists with the contempt they deserve.”

Your source engages in spin and sensationalism. It's a good example bias in reporting and headlines.

I read a wide variety of articles about that shooting. Any article that didn't mention the ethnicity of the shooter early on, had a photograph of the fellow. I don't understand how that is seen as burying something.

White men are responsible for roughly 50% of mass shootings in the USA, blacks account for roughly 17% and Latino ~7%.

Roitrn · Apr 8, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

Yeah...The Washington Free Beacon is not my cup of tea... it is too overly biased for my tastes. I'm not interested in trying to fact check their "review".

From Allsides:

Your source engages in spin and sensationalism. It's a good example bias in reporting and headlines.

I read a wide variety of articles about that shooting. Any article that didn't mention the ethnicity of the shooter early on, had a photograph of the fellow. I don't understand how that is seen as burying something.

White men are responsible for roughly 50% of mass shootings in the USA, blacks account for roughly 17% and Latino ~7%.

Yes. However gang related shooting are not considered mass shootings. Also, blacks are 13% the population but represent a number higher than their population percentage at 17%. Of mass shootings.

What was the point of these stats?

The left wing media tends to over emphasis crimes committed by whites even when a racial motive isn't a factor or is not know to be yet.

However the same doesn't apply when it is a black perpretrator.

toomuchbaloney · Apr 8, 2023

Roitrn said:

Yes. However gang related shooting are not considered mass shootings. Also, blacks are 13% the population but represent a number higher than their population percentage at 17%. Of mass shootings.

What was the point of these stats?

The left wing media tends to over emphasis crimes committed by whites even when a racial motive isn't a factor or is not know to be yet.

However the same doesn't apply when it is a black perpretrator.

Mass shootings have a specific definition. The most common mass shootings are related to domestic violence with one or more family members harmed and they have a higher case fatality rate.

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They found that 31.5% of mass shooters in their study had histories of perpetrating DV. Further, the authors found that mass shootings could be prevented if DV cases are known in the criminal justice system or offenders are prohibited from having guns under a domestic violence protective order (DVPO) and the law is effectively enforced.

What is the point of the data and stats? That seems like a silly question. Data and stats help us to understand this unacceptable violence.

In your opinion left wing media overemphasizes shootings by whites. However, as you know, more mass shootings are committed by white men so it makes sense that there would be more reporting on them.

Does noting the ethnicity of the shooter automatically imply that there was a race based motivation for the shooting in your view? I don't think so.

About the racial distribution;

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Broadly speaking, the racial distribution of mass shootings mirrors the racial distribution of the U.S. population as a whole. While a superficial comparison of the statistics seems to suggest African American shooters are over-represented and Latino shooters underrepresented, the fact that the shooter's race is unclear in around nine percent of cases, along with the different time frames over which these statistics are calculated, means no such conclusions should be drawn. Conversely, looking at the mass shootings in the United States by gender clearly demonstrates that the majority of mass shootings are carried out by men.

Your last bit suggesting that white shooters are somehow treated badly as compared to black shooters in the liberal media is another example of your biased opinion based in right wing media spin and hyperbolic commentary.

Roitrn · Apr 8, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

Mass shootings have a specific definition. The most common mass shootings are related to domestic violence with one or more family members harmed and they have a higher case fatality rate.

What is the point of the data and stats? That seems like a silly question. Data and stats help us to understand this unacceptable violence.

In your opinion left wing media overemphasizes shootings by whites. However, as you know, more mass shootings are committed by white men so it makes sense that there would be more reporting on them.

Does noting the ethnicity of the shooter automatically imply that there was a race based motivation for the shooting in your view? I don't think so.

About the racial distribution;

Your last bit suggesting that white shooters are somehow treated badly as compared to black shooters in the liberal media is another example of your biased opinion based in right wing media spin and hyperbolic commentary.

You misunderstood. I wasn't making a point of who is treated worse. Or badly. I didn't say that.

I was only referring to reporting habits of media and bias related to race. Yes it makes sense that more whites comitt mass shooting because they are a higher percentage of the population. That's just basic math.

You're liberal media and left ideology makes it difficult you to go beyond the mention of race as related to some sort of virtue. Ex: "treated more badly".

The point I was making is that media often states the race of the prepretrator whether related to the crime or not, more for one race than the others. Media is less likely to mention the race when it is anything other that a white perpetrator. Again often stating the race whether directly related to the crime or not.

Is there any possibility to have a discussion without assuming I'm consuming "right wing media" or talking points in an effort to somehow disqualify my opinion on your own bias assumptions?

subee, MSN, CRNA · Apr 8, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

But you didn't answer my questions. What is news worthy about the story... for you? Is there some reason that other people should want to read about it? Why do you think that all of the media outlets should cover this story about Biden Hunter?

If media platforms are not reporting on the story does that make them "left media"? What left ideology is reflected in a publisher NOT running with the Hunter story.

I would appreciate it if we could discuss these things.

In real live journalism, the race of the shooter should me mentioned ONLY if it is relevant to the story. Otherwise it is called tripe, not ethical reportage.

toomuchbaloney · Apr 8, 2023

subee said:

In real live journalism, the race of the shooter should me mentioned ONLY if it is relevant to the story. Otherwise it is called tripe, not ethical reportage.

Why are some facts and details about the shooters or victims irrelevant? What is unethical about reporting on factual details?

In this country, shootings by men are common, mentioning a factual deviation from that "norm" is relevant isn't it? In this country most made shootings are at the hands of white men, that makes mention of ethnicity relevant to the overall issue with gun violence and mass shootings.

Roitrn · Apr 8, 2023

subee said:

In real live journalism, the race of the shooter should me mentioned ONLY if it is relevant to the story. Otherwise it is called tripe, not ethical reportage.

Yes. I agree. This is what I've been trying to say.

Roitrn · Apr 8, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

Why are some facts and details about the shooters or victims irrelevant? What is unethical about reporting on factual details?

In this country, shootings by men are common, mentioning a factual deviation from that "norm" is relevant isn't it? In this country most made shootings are at the hands of white men, that makes mention of ethnicity relevant to the overall issue with gun violence and mass shootings.

The problem isn't with the sex of the offender being stated. It the race of the offender being highlighted when it isn't relevant to the story.

Unless there is a direct link between the crime and race, it isn't relevant. Most mass shooting are by white men but most gun related murders involving gang violence in Chicago are by black men. Should that fact be reported on like this?

"Black man guns down several people at a convenient store. Police believe it to be gang related"? Everytime?

No. That's highlighting the race when it's irrelevant to the crime itself.

It's even more bias when there is crime between 2 different races. Unless the races of the individuals are relevant to the crime, there is no reason to state them. Except when media wants to create a narrative... In which they seem to highlight one race and omitt another.

toomuchbaloney · Apr 8, 2023

Roitrn said:

The problem isn't with the sex of the offender being stated. It the race of the offender being highlighted when it isn't relevant to the story.

Unless there is a direct link between the crime and race, it isn't relevant. Most mass shooting are by white men but most gun related murders involving gang violence in Chicago are by black men. Should that fact be reported on like this?

"Black man guns down several people at a convenient store. Police believe it to be gang related"? Everytime?

No. That's highlighting the race when it's irrelevant to the crime itself.

It's even more bias when there is crime between 2 different races. Unless the races of the individuals are relevant to the crime, there is no reason to state them. Except when media wants to create a narrative... In which they seem to highlight one race and omitt another.

What are you talking about? The media absolutely mentions race of shooters when they are gang related. Everyone has been exposed to media reports of black on black crime in cities like Chicago.

The ethnicity of the perpetrators and the victims are details that create a picture of the widespread problem with gun violence in this country. Without the details we cannot see the picture.

Maybe your media is telling you that one race is highlighted and one is omitted. I read a wide variety of media and that's not my experience.

Roitrn · Apr 8, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

What are you talking about? The media absolutely mentions race of shooters when they are gang related. Everyone has been exposed to media reports of black on black crime in cities like Chicago.

The ethnicity of the perpetrators and the victims are details that create a picture of the widespread problem with gun violence in this country. Without the details we cannot see the picture.

Maybe your media is telling you that one race is highlighted and one is omitted. I read a wide variety of media and that's not my experience.

Really? Here's a few examples of media reporting about gun violence in Chicago.

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shootings-this-weekend-today-police/12948549/

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2022/5/29/23146412/chicago-shootings-memorial-day-weekend

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chicago-postal-service-mail-carriers-robbed

No mention of race of v8ctim or perpetrapltors in any of them. (And so it should be).

How does gun violence relate to race?does the gun shoot Unless the media is trying to spin an alternate narrative to "create a picture".

No. My media isn't telling me that. I use a variety of sources to establish my opinions. It's not like I check the political learning of every story I read and only read those that are on the right.