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ok hear this out! i lived in california and i would hear cnas say they are going to challenge the california lpn boards. im like ''ok lets be serious''! lol. so i took it upon myself to see if this is possible.damn i was shocked its REALLY TRUE!! you have to be a cna for 5 yrs with x-amount of expr.in certain areas. personally i think this is crazy and dangerous. its just some roles as a nurse cnas just dont undertsand or know. TELL ME WHAT YA THINK????
If they met the criteria and pass the boards why not? RNs go to nursing school and get some hands on experience, but not on everything out there that they will ever do and they are aloud to practice. How much more can an LVN do than a CNA? This can be learned fairly easily.
A lot. I work in an ICU with very intensive pts, and definately take offense to this statement. That is the same as saying "how much more can an RN do than an LPN. Each nursing fx has it's role. The role of a CNA is to be the nurses AIDE. Trust me, i've been one, and I sure didn't know then what I learned in nursing school. If a CNA wants to be an LPN, then GO TO SCHOOL. Likewise, if a LPN wants to be considered an RN, then GO TO SCHOOL. otherwise do your job and function in your role as the state BON says you can.
To me personally, the thought of allowing most of the CNA's I work with to challenge boards scares me. I wouldn't want the ones that work on the medical floors in my facility to be the nurse in charge of my care. Sorry, but just my 2 cents worth, and i'm stickin to my guns on this one.
I think LPNs that have been CNAs really need to answer this one....sorry, but I think it is the establishment attempting to further dumb down nursing. What happened to nursing as a profession?
I don't know how to give kudos, but if I did you'd get my first one!
I am waiting to sit for my CNA exam (scheduled for August 29th) and I start my LPN program in October. I've been working with CNAs who have been CNAs for more than 10 years, some 20. They are great at what they do (just don't do as they do and expect to pass your State exam) but I would never think that they were ready to be nurses. I respect them, but I wouldn't want them treating me without more education.
That is such a horrible and unsafe idea. I also have to wonder what facility in their right mind would hire someone that went through with this. Honestly, I'd be really close to qualifying, but I'd feel unsafe and would be scared of not noticing subtle changes or making a fatal mistake. It's a really bad idea to perform technical skills without learning in depth the contraindications, possible complications, etc. I'll just wait til school's over to be an LPN. Has anyone on here actually gone this route, I'd like to hear what their experience was like.
If they met the criteria and pass the boards why not? RNs go to nursing school and get some hands on experience, but not on everything out there that they will ever do and they are aloud to practice. How much more can an LVN do than a CNA? This can be learned fairly easily.
Oh, quite a bit more. I was a CNA before I went through the LVN program. I had no knowledge of sterile technique, no pharmacology, no wound care, no formal assessment skills, rudimentary communication skills, only basic time management, not to mention complex skills like IV starts, nursing process. Everything that makes me a NURSE, I learned in nursing school.
I've been working as a CNA in a hospital for two years in November and will complete my LVN course in December. I find the idea of CNAs being able to challenge the VN boards terrifying. Mostly because some of the aids at my work have mentioned it and I would run for the hills if some of them were to be my nurse!
I think it's a horrible idea. You learn so much more in the VN program, things you'll never learn as a CNA. Fundamentals is no big whoop, but everything beyong that--yikes!
How much more can an LVN do than a CNA? This can be learned fairly easily.
LPN's can do a lot more than a CNA can, They can do head to toe systems exam, then can insert foleys and tell you why they are inserting the foley and why it's a sterile procedure, they take orders from doctors, they go to nursing theory classes, pharmacology, child bearing, gerontology, mental health, then they do at least 2 semesters in clinical learning how to implement the nursing process and link the classes with the practice. LPN's learn the nursing process and the ABC's of assessment, They learn human anatomy and physiology, often times the same A&P courses that RN's have to take to finish their schooling.
My point is that I had to work dang hard to become a LPN. I took 3 semesters of training. The first semester I took 19 credits of theory classes, 2nd semester 22 credits between theory and clinical, and third semester 24 credits between theory and clinical. And I had to maintain a average percentage of greater than 80%, (which I believe is the norm in nursing) Let's not belittle the nurses that had to struggle through education and a system that sets LPN's to fail by allowing a CNA to challenge LPN boards. They should have to go to school just like anyone else that intends to advance their education.
My dad is a retired surgeon, and i didn't know it until he told me that years ago before there were educational requirments, you could challange the medical boards! Is that not crazy! I mean first of all if you could pass the boards without going to medical school, then i guess why not, if you have that kind of knowledge. He told me of a well known orthopod, who's dead now, but he challenged the boards and got his M.D. I know of him and his clinic is world known, the doctors they train there are some of the best in the country. It amazes me that he had the knowledge to do that, but i am glad they have the educational requirments to sit for the boards now... God knows what kind of docs would be practicing now!LOL
Wow. I'm a CNA going to begin nursing school in September. I've done practice exams of th NCLEX just cause and my knowledge just wasn't there. And I've been a CNA for 4 years. Also I've seen nurses think critically. And I'm not there yet. I imagine I'll be there after a year of school, because part of what they teach you (at least so I've been told) is thinking critically. I would not feel comfortable basically being grandfathered in because I'd been an aide for x amount of years.
Wow. I'm a CNA going to begin nursing school in September. I've done practice exams of th NCLEX just cause and my knowledge just wasn't there. And I've been a CNA for 4 years. Also I've seen nurses think critically. And I'm not there yet. I imagine I'll be there after a year of school, because part of what they teach you (at least so I've been told) is thinking critically. I would not feel comfortable basically being grandfathered in because I'd been an aide for x amount of years.
That brings up an interesting point, if someone did go through all these motions to sit for NCLEX, how many would be able to pass? NCLEX is tough, I have the practice book and I have no clue how I'd get though all those important points without school.Sorry to keep:deadhorsebut this just blows my mind.
obviously you have no clue what a lvn or a cna is ....lvn's have mountains of clinicals in most cases much more than rn students. how can one not ever attend a nursing program pass the nclex and be a safe nurse....lvn's are taught the same nursing process,assessment skills and the majority of procedures that rn's are taught in nursing school....since when did cna's cover that in class or get experience with that while obtaining their 5 years of exp...this job cannot be learned fairly easily without proper instruction....even though this clause has been around forever in a day...to the op go to nursing school......
if they met the criteria and pass the boards why not? rns go to nursing school and get some hands on experience, but not on everything out there that they will ever do and they are aloud to practice. how much more can an lvn do than a cna? this can be learned fairly easily.
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method 3: qualification based on equivalent education and/or experience authority per section 2873 of the vocational nursing practice act and section 2516(b) of the california code of regulations
[note: this method does not apply to those individuals who are seeking credit for military experience. please refer to method 4: nursing service in the medical corps of any branch of the armed forces of the united states]
overview
qualifying for the licensure examination based on prior education and experience, often referred to as "the equivalency method", requires the applicant to provide documentation of a minimum of 51 months of paid general duty inpatient bedside nursing experience in a clinical facility and completion of a 54-theory-hour pharmacology course. if the applicant has successfully completed additional formal nursing education, that education may be substituted for some of the required bedside nursing experience.
the equivalency method permits unlicensed individuals who have had extensive inpatient bedside nursing care experience, plus a limited amount of formal education, to demonstrate that they have acquired sufficient basic nursing knowledge to be eligible for the licensure examination.
please note that achieving licensure via the equivalency method may limit the licensee's ability to be hired as a licensed vocational nurse or psychiatric technician. no other state accepts licensees who have been licensed via this method. in addition to licensure, some health care facilities within california require that their potential employees be graduates of accredited nursing or psychiatric technician programs. such facilities will not hire licensees who have achieved licensure via the equivalency method. if you have questions about licensure in another state, please contact that state's board of nursing. if you have questions about the hiring practice of a particular health care facility in california, please contact that facility.
experience
pursuant to the california code of regulations section 2516(b), the 51 months of paid general duty inpatient bedside nursing experience must include a minimum of each of the following:
the majority of the paid bedside nursing experience must have occurred in a inpatient clinical facility providing the types of patient care that will prepare the applicant for the content topics covered in the licensure examination. it is required that all experience must have occurred within the past ten years, with half of the required experience occurring in the past five years. the experience must have been recent enough that the applicant is knowledgeable regarding current types of patient care equipment, policies and procedures.
when calculating work experience, the applicant can substitute up to a maximum of eight months of the required medical-surgical clinical experience with experience obtained outside of the acute care setting; however, a minimum of 40 months of medical-surgical experience must have occurred in an acute care facility. paid work experience in the following areas will be applicable toward the eight months that can be substituted for acute medical-surgical experience:
[please note: the following types of work experience will not be accepted in this category; home health aide, in-home care provider, in-home hospice provider, board and care provider, residential care provider, unit secretary, ward clerk, transport aide, phlebotomist, monitor technician, field paramedic. this list is not all-inclusive, but is offered for clarification purposes.]
in the application packet, an employment verification form is provided. the applicant must provide a copy of this form to all employers. on the verification form, all paid bedside nursing experience must be verified by the applicant's employer(s) indicating specific dates of employment and the number of hours worked in each area. the employment verification form must be mailed directly to the board by the employer in an official business envelope.
the verification of experience must also include certification from the director or supervisor (must be a registered nurse) that the applicant has satisfactorily demonstrated the following knowledge and skills:
a. basic bedside nursing
b. infection control procedures (may be demonstrated in classroom, lab, and/or patient care settings.)
required pharmacology course
in addition to the required paid bedside nursing experience, the applicant must also have completed a pharmacology course of at least 54 theory hours that covers the following content:
the pharmacology requirement may be satisfied by completion of 54 theory hours of pharmacology in a board accredited vocational nursing or psychiatric technician program or 54 theory hours of pharmacology offered as part of an approved registered nursing program. in some cases, applicants attended an accredited psychiatric technician, vocational nursing or registered nursing program but did not complete the program. in order to receive credit for pharmacology content that was offered in that program, documentation provided by the program must clearly delineate that the applicant successfully completed 54 hours of actual pharmacology content, which included the 4 content areas described above.
many individuals and organizations offer pharmacology courses that fit the criteria listed above. the board does not review, approve or endorse these courses. at the bottom of this page there is a list of individuals/organizations who offer pharmacology courses to equivalency applicants. it is the responsibility of the applicant to ensure that the pharmacology course taken includes the required content topics listed above. when the applicant submits the licensure examination application, the applicant must present documentation for the pharmacology course taken that indicates the number of theory hours of the course and lists the content presented.
a maximum total of 54 theory hours of credit may be granted for completion of any pharmacology course. if the course contains additional material that is not specific to pharmacology, credit is awarded for pharmacology content