Clinton unveils new health care plan

sharona97, BSN, RN · Sep 25, 2007

I'm curious Jolie,

With your determination on Corporate America being the deciding factor to reject health insurance, would you at your job? Then you would pay completely out of pocket as you have suggested in previous posts?

HM2VikingRN, RN · Sep 25, 2007

I have a friend who is a financial analyst for Seagate technologies. His viewpoint from reading the business management literature is that corporate America really wants a universal health care plan as the current non-system is a drain on corporate profits.

sharona97, BSN, RN · Sep 25, 2007

You have done an excellent job of concisely stating our difference of opinion. You put your faith in Big Government and I don't.

I have a friend who is a financial analyst for Seagate technologies. His viewpoint from reading the business management literature is that corporate America really wants a universal health care plan as the current non-system is a drain on corporate profits.

I can believe that!

HM2VikingRN, RN · Sep 25, 2007

poerty is the single greatest predictor of poor health

Jolie, BSN · Sep 25, 2007

I'm curious Jolie,
With your determination on Corporate America being the deciding factor to reject health insurance, would you at your job? Then you would pay completely out of pocket as you have suggested in previous posts?

I don't understand your question. I don't recommend that anyone reject health insurance that is available to them thru their employment in corporate America or anywhere else. But I do support freedom of choice in financial matters. If an individual doesn't want the insurance their employer offers, I believe they ought to have the right to refuse it, at the risk of their own financial peril.

The plan that our family has is essentially a catastrophic plan. We have a deductible of several thousand dollars, which we usually don't meet in a given year. We utilize a tax-free healthcare spending account funded by payroll deductions to meet our healthcare expenses up to the point of our deductible. For this coverage, we pay approximately $6000/yr in premiums, in addition to the premiums paid by the employer. The reason our premiums are so high is that we essentially subsidize the insurance plans of lower-paid employees within the company. This is a plan offered by a Fortune 100 corporation, so the notion of high-level employees in corporate America receiving excessive healthcare benefits is a myth, at least in our experience.

The benefit of a plan such as ours is that approved preventive care is covered at nearly 100%, and that we are able to somewhat control the costs of the non-preventive care that we pay out of pocket by carefully choosing our providers and negotiating fees for service.

allnurses Guide · Sep 25, 2007

Thanks for the BLOG.......
StevieLynn, really like your quote......hmmmmmm.

Mixed message here . . .you like my quote or you give it a thumbs down?

It is the goal of the mission organization to which I belong - we go to Vietnam every year to provide medical care.

steph

allnurses Guide · Sep 25, 2007

That site is so conservative it almost comes off as near racist in nature, the way I see it.

Tom - I haven't read past the opening page of this site but you said "we" and that just isn't true so thought I'd look for evidence.

steph

allnurses Guide · Sep 25, 2007

I don't understand your question. I don't recommend that anyone reject health insurance that is available to them thru their employment in corporate America or anywhere else. But I do support freedom of choice in financial matters. If an individual doesn't want the insurance their employer offers, I believe they ought to have the right to refuse it, at the risk of their own financial peril.
The plan that our family has is essentially a catastrophic plan. We have a deductible of several thousand dollars, which we usually don't meet in a given year. We utilize a tax-free healthcare spending account funded by payroll deductions to meet our healthcare expenses up to the point of our deductible. For this coverage, we pay approximately $6000/yr in premiums, in addition to the premiums paid by the employer. The reason our premiums are so high is that we essentially subsidize the insurance plans of lower-paid employees within the company. This is a plan offered by a Fortune 100 corporation, so the notion of high-level employees in corporate America receiving excessive healthcare benefits is a myth, at least in our experience.
The benefit of a plan such as ours is that approved preventive care is covered at nearly 100%, and that we are able to somewhat control the costs of the non-preventive care that we pay out of pocket by carefully choosing our providers and negotiating fees for service.

This is exactly what we'd like to do.

steph

sharona97, BSN, RN · Sep 25, 2007

Mixed message here . . .you like my quote or you give it a thumbs down?
It is the goal of the mission organization to which I belong - we go to Vietnam every year to provide medical care.
steph

StevieLynn,

I found it interesting that"we" don't like her expressed and then a biblical psalm concerning "(other") people.

I personally have a different point of view in the "care" of people, Liking them doesn't factor into wether I provide or give care to the needy or the poor. It's one thing to disagree with someone, and another to dislike them. It appeared you were speaking out of both sides of the mouth. IMP.

I think it's wonderful you have shared your mission work.

allnurses Guide · Sep 25, 2007

StevieLynn,
I found it interesting that"we" don't like her expressed and then a biblical psalm concerning "(other") people.
I personally have a different point of view in the "care" of people, Liking them doesn't factor into wether I provide or give care to the needy or the poor. It's one thing to disagree with someone, and another to dislike them. It appeared you were speaking out of both sides of the mouth. IMP.
I think it's wonderful you have shared your mission work.

ah, the internet . . . misunderstandings abound.

I don't personally know Hillary so I can't like or dislike her personally. I disagree with almost all of her political views. I would never vote for her. I have many good friends who share her views and yet I still like them. A couple of very good friends don't like Bush - but we are close friends.

The signature line has been there for a long time - not related to anything political at all. I used to have a link to the organization but that is against TOS so I just put our mission statement there instead.

My personal belief is that our government should not be involved in many things - healthcare among them.

That doesn't mean I don't care for people who are "poor".

I'm not talking out of both sides of my mouth - sorry for the misunderstanding.

steph

sharona97, BSN, RN · Sep 25, 2007

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070917/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_health_care
des moines, iowa - democratic presidential candidate hillary rodham clinton is unveiling a sweeping health care proposal monday that would require everyone to carry health insurance and offer federal subsidies to help reduce the cost of coverage.
it is long past time that americans and the richest of all countries realize that health care is a right and not a privilege," clinton said at a labor forum in chicago. "
the centerpiece of clinton's plan is the so-called "individual mandate," requiring everyone to have health insurance...
if hilary truly views healthcare insurance as a right, then why does she fail to acknowledge an individual's right to refuse?

this is why i asked you that question concerning refusing healthcare. is it just universal healthcare for all that you are oppposed to? just curious.

CHATSDALE · Sep 25, 2007

it is insulting to equate conservative with racist . there are just as many if not more racist liberals than conservative

That site is so conservative it almost comes off as near racist in nature, the way I see it.