CDC Data Shows Strong Relationship Between MMR Vaccine and Autism

djmatte, ADN, MSN, RN, NP · Dec 12, 2018

Beyond the ridiculousness of the "story" itself, can we just talk about how deep our hatred for differently abled people goes that we believe that autism "ruins" children's lives?

I wouldn't classify expressions in this thread as some deep hatred. That probably warrants its own thread and discussion. Most of us in this area of nursing are more focused on identifying patients who are at risk for autism and ensuring they have access to adequate resources than really "hateful" toward someone's personal abilities. I will say the topic generally capitalizes on fears and perceived hatred to push agendas that hurt vaccinations by suggesting these people were somehow harmed by a specific boogeyman and attempts to set up scapegoats like "big pharma" or the CDC. They would rather portray those with disabilities as victims rather than normal people capable of their mastering their own life situation.

familymrl3 · Dec 12, 2018

Most of us in this area of nursing are more focused on identifying patients who are at risk for autism and ensuring they have access to adequate resources

Vaccines contain retroviruses (read the inserts). Retroviruses insert themselves into the DNA through reverse transcription and lie dormit until it is actrivated through inflammation. What triggers the inflammation? Other vaccines!!! Once activated, retroviruses infect the capillary endothelial cells in the brain. This produces factors called nagalase. Autism is associated with substancially higher levels of nagalase. Nagalase activates the macrophages and results in inflammation in the brain that leads to autism symptoms. When GcMAF is given, it turns off the macrophage inflammation and autism symptoms resolve. This clears the damage even though the infected cells were not cleared, because the target wasn't the brain endothelial capillary cells. Once the macrophage inflammation resolves the retrovirus will either become latent or is cleared from the body.

https://triggered.clockss.org/ServeContent?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.la-press.com%2Fredirect_file.php%3FfileId%3D4674%26filename%3Df_3450-AUI-Initial-Observations-of-Elevated-Alpha-N-Acetylgalactosaminidase-Activ_2_4670_2%26fileType%3Dpdf

angel0309, ADN, RN · Dec 12, 2018

I wouldn't classify expressions in this thread as some deep hatred. That probably warrants its own thread and discussion. Most of us in this area of nursing are more focused on identifying patients who are at risk for autism and ensuring they have access to adequate resources than really "hateful" toward someone's personal abilities. I will say the topic generally capitalizes on fears and perceived hatred to push agendas that hurt vaccinations by suggesting these people were somehow harmed by a specific boogeyman and attempts to set up scapegoats like "big pharma" or the CDC. They would rather portray those with disabilities as victims rather than normal people capable of their mastering their own life situation.

I honestly didn't read through the entire thread of comments, but the OP said that autism "ruins" children's lives. That's all I was referring to. As someone who has close family friends with autism and a cousin with autism, I can guarantee you that none of them would describe their lives as being "ruined" by autism. In fact, my cousin is starting college a few hours away from home in the fall (just got her acceptance letter) and we're all so proud of her. Autism doesn't ruin lives. Differently abled peoples lives are not ruined by their "dis"orders. I think in general, as a society, we have an implicit bias against differently abled people. I am merely questioning the narrative of this thread.

Side note: The fear we have of differently abled people is really just a scare tactic used by the anti-vax movement. TBH, even if there was a "strong correlation" between any vaccine and autism, I'd rather my child risk getting autism than a potentially life threatening illness. My point is this: How much do we have to hate autistic people that we'd rather our children develop preventable diseases than be autistic?

familymrl3 · Dec 12, 2018

Most of us in this area of nursing are more focused on identifying patients who are at risk for autism and ensuring they have access to adequate resources

Vaccines contain retroviruses (read the inserts). Retroviruses insert themselves into the DNA through reverse transcription and lie dormant until it is activated through inflammation. What triggers the inflammation? Other vaccines!!! Once activated, retroviruses infect the capillary endothelial cells in the brain. This produces factors called nagalase. Autism is associated with substantially higher levels of nagalase. Nagalase activates the macrophages and results in inflammation in the brain that leads to autism symptoms. When GcMAF is given, it turns off the macrophage inflammation and autism symptoms resolve. This clears the damage even though the infected cells were not cleared because the target wasn't the brain endothelial capillary cells. Once the macrophage inflammation resolves the retrovirus will either become latent or is cleared from the body.

https://triggered.clockss.org/ServeContent?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.la-press.com%2Fredirect_file.php%3FfileId%3D4674%26filename%3Df_3450-AUI-Initial-Observations-of-Elevated-Alpha-N-Acetylgalactosaminidase-Activ_2_4670_2%26fileType%3Dpdf

gvalue · Dec 12, 2018

I'd rather my child risk getting autism than a potentially life threatening illness.

If your feelings weren't infringing the rights of other people who do not feel as you do then the vaccination debate wouldn't exist. But those who want to protect their rights, minds, and body's understand that the environment of Allnurses is a place of "censorship" and "group shouting". It's not an environment that tolerates different opinions and ideas even though they wear a mask of tolerance. Social mind control aimed at the nursing population reminiscent of the CIA mind control program

HomeBound · Dec 12, 2018

As we go through this vaccine merry-go-round once again, I ask myself this question-
If we start with the premise that the mainstream science is correct about vaccines, why do some people desperately want to believe otherwise? (As for me, I think that maybe the mandatory nature of vaccination pushes some folks's buttons and that crying 'autism' gives an easy out.)
What do other people think?

^^^^ THIS ^^^^

Not sure where AN is going with some of these firestarters lately....gun violence/2nd amendment by default, abortion/religion, and now the anti vaccines and autism debate....but...again I will most likely regret my wading in...

Jed, you hit it exactly, IMO.

OP connected some dots and made associations between several things that logically I could drive a truck through the Grand Canyon sized chasm he/she leapt, to make the connection.

What she/he is simply ignoring, as are many who are dragged into these arguments....that there can be and often are....factors involved in the "uptick" in autism rates.

Yes. Disgnosis is becoming not just better, but more specific. Absolutely. Science evolves.

However. OP states that the cause of the "inflammaton" is....other vaccines. This is what just forced me to respond.

Are you, OP, implying that disease processes develop in a vacuum? No environmental triggers....say....just an example....the obscene proliferation of insecticide use since 1940...of one singly or in combinaton with others....cannot influence or cause outright diseases/conditions that in centuries past did not exist or are more prevwlent now?

Seriously? It is almost as if people forget that times have changed. Industrialization of the modern world has brought substances and technologies into contact with humans that has never, EVER occurred befoe in human history.

The poisons being dumped into the atmosphere and environment in general...is staggering. We have zero idea of what was done prior to laws being enacted for the health and safety of the human polulation. We also do not know what effect a certain thing has long term until there is sufficient time to study it....and in the meantime what additoinal enviromental or genetic influences are at work to alter the path.

It astounds me, sincerely. I do know it is human nature to want to know. To know "the answer", to point at a cause of some tragic thing and say....i know why this happened and i can prevent this from happening again by ___________. Fill in the space with lawsuits, vegetarianism, converting to worshipping your Jenga game.....whatever.

I saw a special on the History Channel in 2011. It was given a name that was all at once, scary to some and discrediting to the speakers' professonal expertise and opinions...thereby almost guaranteeing no one would watch or if they did, take the discussion with a grain of salt.

It was called "Prophets of Doom". James Kunstler, Michael Ruppert and Nathan Hagan along with a couple others who are experts in their fields are discussing the problems they each believe will bring insurmountable difficulties to life on this planet.

Kunstler quotes James Harrington, "Measurement is the first step that leads to control and eventually to improvement. If you can't measure something, you can't understand it. If you can't understand it, you can't control it. If you can't control it, you can't improve it."

He follows this up with...."and this really p****s me off. Because the truth is, just because you can measure somethini does not mean you can control that thing"

People want control. A reason for what happens that is out of their control, so that they can prevent or change the result. We see it very clearly in illness...how it effects thenpatient and those around them.

OP, you are looking for a direct, solid, tangible reason for why your child or maybe the child of someone you know, or maybe even....you just are sick and tired of corporations being allowed to poison the populace and anything connected to children will do.

No one can come to any type of definative conclusion about the response of the human body to any given substance, because there is no way to account for all of the variables.

"Increased risk". What does this mean? Please, someone define this for me. I am at increased risk for heart disease if i am a woman. Or i breathe the Singaporian air for more than 2.5 days at a time. Or I smoke my tri tip for our Christmas dinner.

It is hard to think of life being so.....random. But, alas, it is. Sometimes, all of the planets line up, just for you....and there you have it....some tragic thing happens. Yes....there are times when preventable tragedies occur....and we deal with them, try to mitigate or prevent them....but issues that throw in variables like, did Mom fly on a plane during the microsecond that the most important neural cell was dividing and a random radioactive particle (which, by the way, flying is like getting a whole body xray each time you go up. Add to that the TSAs scanners. Radiation damage at the cellular level is cumulative if you dont know that. Mutations occur, most neutral or cause cell death....and some lethal) hit fetus and there you go.....birth defect.

Yes. Its just as random as that. And no. I dont believe in historical data....because....flying. insecticides. Herbicides. Chemical pollution in waterways. Drugs that are taken and stored in fat to be released years later. Nuclear testing and accidents. Just to name a few of the things that didnt exist 100 years ago.

Take all of the precautions that you like, OP. Vaccines save lives. Ask anybody who has watched a kid go through whooping cough. Or my uncle who had polio as a kid. Many years of preventing and controlling devastating illnesses and conditions....and we abandon these resources? How about focus on cleaning up the environment these kids are born into and going after the causative agents of so much misery...chemicals and radioactive materials being dumped by the thousands of tonnes into our living space each day?

angel0309, ADN, RN · Dec 12, 2018

If your feelings weren't infringing the rights of other people who do not feel as you do then the vaccination debate wouldn't exist. But those who want to protect their rights, minds, and body's understand that the environment of Allnurses is a place of "censorship" and "group shouting". It's not an environment that tolerates different opinions and ideas even though they wear a mask of tolerance. Social mind control aimed at the nursing population reminiscent of the CIA mind control program
Wow this sounds like some crazy "sheeple" ****. The people who chose to not vaccinate their children are infringing upon the lives of immunocompromised people.

delawaremalenurse · Dec 12, 2018

Okay, let's take the other side of the coin and assume your hypothesis is right and there is no link between autism and MMR. We are still left with these two FACTS!!
1) Autism rates have risen from 1 in 2500 to 1 in 68 since 1964. Can you honestly say that's all due to better diagnosing? YES along with a better understanding of the condition and its myriad of presentations
2) Prevalence of autism in African-Americans is approximately 25% higher than that of whites. Can you honestly say that's all due to better diagnosing? This would require that I believe the study's data and conclusions....which I don't because the "re-analysis" was poorly performed from a statistical standpoint and is, once again, biased in content, analysis, and conclusion.
So.......doctors were so stupid in 1950, 1900, 1800 etc that they couldn't even recognize children with a particular range of symptoms??? If that were true we would also have to throw out all the data relating to polio, measles, diphtheria etc too and therefore conclude that there is no evidence that vaccines have been of any use. Even if you want to make the claim that doctors recognized them but called it something else then that would lead to the same conclusion because for all we know we just call measles, polio, diphtheria etc something else now too.

The last paragraph is just argumentative and doesn't merit an attempt at response.

Golden_RN, MSN · Dec 12, 2018

OP - Are you a nurse? What is your educational background & profession?

dinah77, ADN · Dec 12, 2018

If your feelings weren't infringing the rights of other people who do not feel as you do then the vaccination debate wouldn't exist. But those who want to protect their rights, minds, and body's understand that the environment of Allnurses is a place of "censorship" and "group shouting". It's not an environment that tolerates different opinions and ideas even though they wear a mask of tolerance. Social mind control aimed at the nursing population reminiscent of the CIA mind control program
for gods sake. Really with this? This person joined AN yesterday and this is the first thread they come to
no
this is either OP or one of their tinfoil hat wearing buds come here to troll
admins, please review
this is a site for and by nurses. We are under no obligation to
provide a platform for these types
This person should go back to 4chan or campaigning for Alex Jones to get back on Twitter

HomeBound · Dec 12, 2018

If your feelings weren't infringing the rights of other people who do not feel as you do then the vaccination debate wouldn't exist. But those who want to protect their rights, minds, and body's understand that the environment of Allnurses is a place of "censorship" and "group shouting". It's not an environment that tolerates different opinions and ideas even though they wear a mask of tolerance. Social mind control aimed at the nursing population reminiscent of the CIA mind control program
She and others are not infringing on your right to refuse to vaccinate your kids.
They arent. What the problem is...is that you and those who feel the way you do, want entry into society's benefits....school, job, whatever.
In this society, based on facts and proven track record of the efficacy of vaccines, such as polio...we, as a society, have accepted the small risk that may come from something like vaccinations. That is the price for admission to some of the perks we enjoy. We also have, overall, because of vaccines, a healthier population in THAT REGARD (polio, measels, mumps, rubwlla, rubeola, hep b, meningitis....i could go on.....i have had them all, some more than once and i have even gotten my flu shot 3 times in one year bc of being too lazy to keep proper documentation on myself. And i would do it again.)
This, unfortunately, is not unlike any other of society's entrance fees. I have an apartment for rent. You want that apartment. If you cannot afford or will not pay the rent on it, you cant live in it. This sounds harsh. But everybody doesnt get to do whatever they like, particularly when .....
YOUR decision to not vaccinate your kid effects MY kids' health. No one. Not one person has ever said that you cannot live in a town and enjoy the things modern life has to offer. However...in order to be accepted and granted entrance into things that YOU want for your kids, you have to abide by the rules that have been decided based on factual information....there is factual documentwtion, statistics and all....hat prove that the incidence of these illnesses are either decreased or eradicated via vaccinations....where prior to vaccines these illnesses were far, far more prevalent.
My kids' school and the parents have decided that this is the list of rules for kids to attend. No guns. No drugs. No bullying. Vaccinations up to date because of the close proximity of the kids in the classrooms....and you cant regulate what people do at home and then send their kids off to school (cleanliness, diet, healthcaer, etc).
In medicine, we have a very, very accurate phrase that you should internalize. "The benefits outweigh the risks."
Nothing is risk free, and you are going to make yourself and those around you that rely on sound judgement and decison making, crazy....trying to control all of the risks posed by modern life.
Chemo is poison. Straight up, drain-o for the system. Now you are diagnosed with a cancer that has a 95% cure rate with this poison being dumped into you. Chemo literally is....i am trying my darndest to kill the cancer before the chemo kills you. I am poisoning you. I know this and i know i could kill you. Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me you are going to refuse treatment with a 95% CURE rate?
Bahhhhhhhloney. I dont see any anti vaxxers lining up to pull chemo off the market. And yeah. People succumb during treatment all the time. And its not the cancer that does it.
If you want your kid to come to my kids' school...which is something YOU decided you wanted, you do have other choices....you abide by the rules of the place you have decided to enter. There is no discrimination against you, just as its not discrimination for that same school to prevent your kid from bringing in heroin.
If he wants to inject heroin on his own time, in his own space...go for it. Your kid doesnt bring that crap into my kids' domain. Your kid doesnt get to bring a gun to school, no matter if he was taught from the fetus that gun ownership is a fundamental MAN given right. These are the rules that society has decided are in their best interests on this subject...and through factual and proven efficacy....has kept these deadly diseases as bay.
This thing with indivual rights superceding the well being of society at large....i have no idea where this is coming from, but i for one....say that if you want to do whatever you want, whenevre you like, however you choose....despite any damage you do to those around you or to the environment i have to live in....i suggest that perhaps you may consider removing yourself from the society that you have such a problem with. If the rules are so very intrusive, why do you want to be inside that room with those people in the first place?

Oldmahubbard · Dec 12, 2018

Let's outlaw ice cream in NYC, because rising crime is strongly associated with the sale of it.