CDC Data Shows Strong Relationship Between MMR Vaccine and Autism

djmatte, ADN, MSN, RN, NP · Dec 11, 2018

Hmm medline - no and from wikipedia about the organization:
The association is generally recognized as politically conservative or ultra-conservative, and its publication advocates a range of scientifically discredited hypotheses, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there is a causal relationship between vaccines and autism.

Also note a website linking to the "study" in a Google search is info wars.

familymrl3 · Dec 12, 2018

Also note a website linking to the "study" in a Google search is info wars.

Okay, let's take the other side of the coin and assume your hypothesis is right and there is no link between autism and MMR. We are still left with these two FACTS!!

1) Autism rates have risen from 1 in 2500 to 1 in 68 since 1964. Can you honestly say that's all due to better diagnosing?

2) Prevalence of autism in African-Americans is approximately 25% higher than that of whites. Can you honestly say that's all due to better diagnosing?

So.......doctors were so stupid in 1950, 1900, 1800 etc that they couldn't even recognize children with a particular range of symptoms??? If that were true we would also have to throw out all the data relating to polio, measles, diphtheria etc too and therefore conclude that there is no evidence that vaccines have been of any use. Even if you want to make the claim that doctors recognized them but called it something else then that would lead to the same conclusion because for all we know we just call measles, polio, diphtheria etc something else now too.

dinah77, ADN · Dec 12, 2018

No

Just, nope.

i don't believe this person is actually a medical professional at all- in which case, can we just delete this nonsensical junk?

they joined allnurses last month, and THIS is the first post they make?

I call B.S

djmatte, ADN, MSN, RN, NP · Dec 12, 2018

Okay, let's take the other side of the coin and assume your hypothesis is right and there is no link between autism and MMR. We are still left with these two FACTS!!
1) Autism rates have risen from 1 in 2500 to 1 in 68 since 1964. Can you honestly say that's all due to better diagnosing?
2) Prevalence of autism in African-Americans is approximately 25% higher than that of whites. Can you honestly say that's all due to better diagnosing?
So.......doctors were so stupid in 1950, 1900, 1800 etc that they couldn't even recognize children with a particular range of symptoms??? If that were true we would also have to throw out all the data relating to polio, measles, diphtheria etc too and therefore conclude that there is no evidence that vaccines have been of any use. Even if you want to make the claim that doctors recognized them but called it something else then that would lead to the same conclusion because for all we know we just call measles, polio, diphtheria etc something else now too.

Autism rates rising isn't an exact math. Modern autism wasn't really described until the 40s. Many doctors during this time mischaracterized it or simply combined it with other psychiatric disorders during this time. Heck it wasn't even separated from childhood schizophrenia until the 80s. Combine that with now mandatory screening that wasn't there two decades ago and it shouldn't be such a shock the numbers have "risen".

dinah77, ADN · Dec 12, 2018

You didn't answer my question- are you a RN, LPN, or NP?

**CalicoKitty, BSN, MSN, RN** · Dec 12, 2018

Some of the newer research is linking a decreased amount of folic acid to increased risk of autism. As well as advanced maternal age, preterm birth, multiple births and even children born less than 1 year apart. If one child has autism, there is a higher likelihood of subsequent children developing it.

If folic acid is a "thing", it could probably be attributed to the current american "Diet" that doesn't really include enough folic acid intake. I'm pretty sure in 1964, people were eating more fruit and vegetables. It is possible the nutrition density of the fruit and vegetables was higher then.

It could be because some black women have more children. One study shows that about 18% of black women in their 40s have 4 or more children compared to 11% of white women. Other statistics are similar, but if the timing of children and the increased risk of later children developing it, these can be valid considerations.

And maybe I'm one of "those", but I kinda feel there may be some overdiagnosis of autism due in part to the range it encompasses. When I was a kid, some kids were just weird (me included). Where kids may simply have been withdrawn or a loners, they may be diagnosed with disorders now. I know when I was growing up (70s/80s) mental issues would be a huge stigma. People would go out of their way to not get children treated by psychiatrists, so probably a good amount of underdiagnosis then.

And probably another "trigger" point. The amount of kids in the foster care system with autism and other disorders (ADD) is higher than the general population. Part of that may simply be because foster parents can earn more money by caring for the 'sick' children. There may be financial incentive to have children diagnosed to get additional help and funding. Children with special needs may be given better access to smaller classes, one-on-one services, extra study help, extra test taking time - these are things parents may want, and could even be pressuring doctors into misdiagnosis to help give their children these advantages.

So, there are many links found related to the development of autism. And there are many reasons for the increased diagnosis.

ToFNPandBeyond · Dec 12, 2018

Hmm I wouldn't be so quick to generalize the argument that black women having more children is the reason why they are being diagnosed more than whites. Research shows us that black children are often misdiagnosed or diagnosed at greater numbers than white children for a whole host of diseases. What research often fails to show or depict are the various social determinants of health that affect behavior, which presumptively is true regardless of race.

End rant.

**CalicoKitty, BSN, MSN, RN** · Dec 12, 2018

Hmm I wouldn't be so quick to generalize the argument that black women having more children is the reason why they are being diagnosed more than whites. Research shows us that black children are often misdiagnosed or diagnosed at greater numbers than white children for a whole host of diseases. What research often fails to show or depict are the various social determinants of health that affect behavior, which presumptively is true regardless of race.
End rant.

i am just using it for familial risks (younger siblings having a higher likelihood of developing it, and with more kids, there may be more siblings born within a year). So, 2 risk factors. Of course there are lots of social, socioeconomical, and countless other factors. Misdiagnosis is also a major influence.

Jedrnurse, BSN, RN · Dec 12, 2018

As we go through this vaccine merry-go-round once again, I ask myself this question-

If we start with the premise that the mainstream science is correct about vaccines, why do some people desperately want to believe otherwise? (As for me, I think that maybe the mandatory nature of vaccination pushes some folks's buttons and that crying 'autism' gives an easy out.)

What do other people think?

familymrl3 · Dec 12, 2018

I can't believe the so-called "autism link" is still being taken seriously even by anti-vaxxers.

Dr. William Thompson is a CDC scientist who co-authored the 2004 study that exonerated the MMR vaccine. On August 27, 2014, he released a letter that stated (in part), "My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998. I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed." The consequence of the researchers falsifying this data is that more and more children and parents are suffering.

The even bigger story in all this, however, is how the CDC and the mainstream media have since maliciously conspired to bury this story in the hope that nobody learns the truth about the scientifically proven link between MMR vaccines and autism in African-American children. This cover-up has been orchestrated across the entire corporate-run media complex, encompassing all outlets, including both progressive and conservative news organizations, all of which are now complicit in the continued vaccine violence being committed every day against America's children.

Trauma Columnist · Dec 12, 2018

Several posts have been removed. In order for this discussion to continue, please cite your research to ensure validity.

djmatte, ADN, MSN, RN, NP · Dec 12, 2018

Hmm I wouldn't be so quick to generalize the argument that black women having more children is the reason why they are being diagnosed more than whites. Research shows us that black children are often misdiagnosed or diagnosed at greater numbers than white children for a whole host of diseases. What research often fails to show or depict are the various social determinants of health that affect behavior, which presumptively is true regardless of race.
End rant.

Also to piggyback on the previous folic acid arguments, African Americans are far less likely to receive adequate prenatal care. This leads to a disproportionate increased risk for a host of congenital abnormalities that would be there regardless of vaccinations.