Care Plans - What's their purpose? - What do you think of them?

EastCoastChris · Jul 30, 2008

Yea, use of the proper medical jargon can get really annoying..at least from my instructor. She takes us off the floor for an hour to go over our care plans and how wrong they are and changes the wording around. I write exactly what my care plan book says and she marks it wrong!! So frustrating knowing a book is still not right for her!

Alex_RN2b09 · Jul 30, 2008

They are evil, tedious and totally impractical in many workplaces. Luckily I only have a year left of school, then it's off to the real world. Where nurses give you funny looks when you rattle off all the patients nursing dx and your interventions/rationales in report, few might even laugh. :chuckle

To share a care plan story, I was doing my OB rotation with a high strung and flighty instructor whom also happened to teach my lecture. She gave no feedback on any of our paper work until our final evaluation, so it was a little nerve wracking. I had done many care plans by the end of the rotation, and since mother baby units tend to have the same thing over and over (omg babies!) I had to stretch sometimes for a fitting nursing dx. This was particularly difficult due to my masochistic desire (some might call a desire to learn) to use different nursing dx for each assignment and have as few repeats as possible. The care plan she ended up calling me out on at my evaluation was one of my better ones, or so I thought. I had a dx of Effective Breastfeeding with good interventions and rationales, some might say sounds good but no. According to her all dx had to be negative, you heard me.. So I showed her the NANDA book and my care plan book written for the NANDA book, she still insisted that I must be doing something strange and that it was wrong. I'm glad I fought her though it bumped my grade up a fair bit. Needless to say she was a little off (read crazy) and I'm glad that rotation is done and gone. Maybe someday we can find a way to relieve future nursing students from the horrors of care planning. :zzzzz

grammyr · Jul 30, 2008

I do agree that care plans in nursing school are a huge pain in the you know what. But, when you get out of school they will still be lurking around We have computer generated ones that can be personalized according to the pt.

If you ever get drug into court or get drilled by JCAHO you will be glad you know something about care plans and why they are here to stay.

brunclex129 · Jul 30, 2008

I agree. These liberal educators need some help. As a student I want to learn and be prepared to take the NCLEX, so I can pass it, not drilled about wording and APA format.

soulofme · Jul 30, 2008

I hated care plans..& the only time I came close to one was in LTC & it was a check off paper...I used a book also and my instructors corrected some things....

scribblerpnp · Jul 30, 2008

Gahhhhh! Nursing instructor here- Please don't flame me! :sofahider

And sorry my post is long- I'm going to try to give you the rationales of why teachers do what they do.

And I'm not an old one either, I graduated from nursing school in the early part of the 2000's, and hated doing careplans then. Didn't really get the point until I was an RN and in grad school.

And I do not waste time during clinical going over them. The students need to care for their patients! The only time I will review a careplan is if I get the feeling during report that the students didn't know what the heck was going on with their pt, then I will take them aside and try to determine if they don't know what is going on because they didn't pre-plan well (which may result in going home) or if they had a weird/ difficult pt (which will not result in going home).

One of the main reasons schools use careplans (other than it being a nursing thing) is so students can learn the material. So when you become an RN you will be able to rattle off some E0's and interventions (along with knowing why you are doing them) in your head when you get that new admit.

And for the most part RN's do not use careplans a whole lot doing day to day work, but that is because they have already internalized the information and proven their knowledge to the state board and a college (which resulted in the form of a degree). Formed care plans are a set and organized way for students to show me how much they know so I don't have to pimp them the entire time of clinical. I can leave them alone so they can do their work. My husband is an engineer, and during school he had to write a load of lab reports. He NEVER has to do this now, but he did it then to show the professor that he actually learned something and could advance in the course. Careplans are pretty much the same thing (to me anyway).

Here is what I expect (and why). I teach peds clinical, so some things are different. And for me, if a student copies a careplan straight out of a book, they are most likely going to get it wrong, because the books can't individualize care for a pt. All pt/families are different, so a care plan is individualized to the pt you are caring for.

I want my students to write every possible, actual or risk for dx, because I want them to look at their pt as a whole, see how one disease process can have an effect on many areas, and be able to recognize potential problems so they can intervene before it become actual- if possible.

Nursing dx: After the R/T I expect to see WHY or HOW ( such as pathologically- what is going on). For example, if it is an open appy who is on morphine. I don't want to see Constipation R/T morphine use. I want to see Constipation R/T decreased intestinal motility due to use of morphine for pain. I never want to see a medical dx, because it doesn't explain the patho. And the AEB should be physical assessment findings, labs, or pt statements that back up the use of the dx.

Why am so picky about this? Because I am eternally suprised that many nursing students are so poor in patho. How can you know what problems to expect if you don't know how and why the body is going to respond to certain diseases/meds? How are you going to explain a process you don't undertstant to a parent or patient? And I want to make sure you are doing good assessment techniques even when I am not around to watch.

Expected outcomes: I want these to be measurable and specific to the pt. I teach peds, and we get all shapes and sizes. So I want to make sure that the student knows what is normal (and what isn't) for each of the age groups we will take care of. I want it to be measurable so that we can have a black and white way to to determine if the goal was met. I started being more strict on this when I discovered that many students didn't know normal Pulse, Resp, B/P for the different age groups they were going to take care of, as well as what pain scale to use with what child. Or what to expect from which age groups.

Interventions/Rational: This is so I know that you know what you should be doing during clinical as well as a way for me to see what kind of knowledge you have as far as a child's growth and development. I once had a student write an intervention for cough and deep breathe for a newborn. Now, HOW are you going to do that?:smackingf

Yes, I hate grading paperwork during my weekend "off." But I know that it does actually have a point and that it can provide a different type of instruction. Sometimes I feel like this :banghead: because I'm just not getting through. But usually I feel like this :loveya: because at some point it all clicks in their head. That is when they start to think like nurses, and I love it!

And my students must too because on ratemyprofessor, I have great positive comments. I love checking in there to see what my students write!

Ok, sorry to be so long, but this is the type of thing that gets my panties in a wad!

Don't flame me too hard! :wink2:

scribblerpnp · Jul 30, 2008

Oh, and the APA stuff. Yeah, if you are going to graduate with a college degree, you need to know how to write on a professional level. That is why the APA is a big thing. EVERY profession with at least a bachelor's degree has to learn to write on a professional level, even if you will never use it. Comes with the territory of getting a college diploma.

tencat · Jul 30, 2008

Yes, careplans are tedious and annoying at times, but by golly, you will find when you are actually out working that they serve a purpose. First of all, there ARE careplans in the workplace (I have a 7 page one I have to do for my job currently). Second of all, the careplans in nursing school teach you to think about the diseases, etc. and give you a framework of what to expect, what might happen, and how you as the nurse can intervene to help.

SusanKathleen, RN · Jul 30, 2008

Thanks for that great explanation, Scribbler!! I'm about to start in 4 weeks, and you have helped more than you know! I get it.

Bortaz, MSN, RN · Jul 30, 2008

I hate them. Teach me nursing, not rhetoric and grammar.

heron, ASN, RN · Jul 30, 2008

I got out of nursing school 36 years ago. The only time since then that careplans were anything but meaningless paperwork for the regulators was during the brief, shining moment that primary nursing was real primary care and not just an excuse for hospitals to stop hiring techs.

However ... my friend who graduated NS just a couple of years ago used to vent about careplans. I told her, and she has since agreed, that careplans are invaluable in teaching us how to think like nurses, especially all the "potential for ..." stuff.

Yes, the official verbiage is cumbersome and sometimes nonsensical. Still, how does one concisely express the need for keeping an eye out for a kid's emotional reaction to a new dx of IDDM other than saying "Potential for ineffective coping R/T ... "?

It's the thought process along with the knowledge base that makes us nurses and not trained monkeys.