Can anyone give me the pathophysiology of pleural effusion?

mauxtav8r · May 25, 2008

you think i didn't googled it?? isn't that being judgemental...I've been searching this...

a) No, I and others didn't think you googled because if you did you would have found it easily. Pleural effusion is not rare.

b) Judgmental? We are required to be.

c) If the whole, big internet is staggering to you, try this instead. Go to Mayo Clinic's website. They are reputable and very easy to read. Each entry is laid out similarly with signs and symptoms, and simple patho, simple treatments, etc.

I don't really have any issue with homework problems unless you appear not to have taken the initiative on your own. Is it possible that you felt overwhelmed? Just need some tools to use? If that is not the case, then the various posters were justified in questioning your op.

Good day.

pihay82 · May 25, 2008

a) No, I and others didn't think you googled because if you did you would have found it easily. Pleural effusion is not rare.
b) Judgmental? We are required to be.
c) If the whole, big internet is staggering to you, try this instead. Go to Mayo Clinic's website. They are reputable and very easy to read. Each entry is laid out similarly with signs and symptoms, and simple patho, simple treatments, etc.
I don't really have any issue with homework problems unless you appear not to have taken the initiative on your own. Is it possible that you felt overwhelmed? Just need some tools to use? If that is not the case, then the various posters were justified in questioning your op.
Good day.

okay..i think there's some kind of misunderstanding here...

yes...its easy to find the pathophysiology in the internet...there are lots of pathophysiologies in the internet...what i am looking for is a detailed pathophysiolgy explaining every process involved because i have to make a SCHEMATIC DIAGRAM of it...and that is why i am having a hard time finding a very detailed one...

mauxtav8r · May 25, 2008

i have to make a SCHEMATIC DIAGRAM of it...and that is why i am having a hard time finding a very detailed one...

Understood. This brings up some very interesting questions about the etiology of pleural effusion. In theory, your diagram should show where the fluid/matter is coming from. Can't really do that if you are creating a single diagram.

If it were my assignment, I'd use colors to indicate the layers from the outside skin to the lung tissue, because fluid can get into any of these layers (maybe various shades of pink). Then, I'd use another color for the fluid that is out of place (something like green that doesn't belong there). Then, I'd show the cardiac flow in the traditional blue and red.

Also, although the actual shapes of the body structures would be nice, if this is a schematic, you could use other shapes found in something like Microsoft Visio or any of the drawing programs. Rectangles for the lungs, cylinders for pneumo stuff, triangle for heart.

One last thing, I have seen schematics of other things that you might try to copy. Fetal circulation and portal circulation come to mind.

Hope this helps.

mscsrjhm · May 25, 2008

Nurses tend to eat their young.

This IS a nursing site, and it was a medical question.

Sometimes I can't google a good answer for my specific question either.

BBFRN, BSN, PhD · May 25, 2008

Thread moved to General Nursing Assistance forum to garner more appropriate responses.

Daytonite, BSN, RN · May 25, 2008

i've been collecting the pathophysiologies of various medical diseases as i come across them since students do ask about them. check out the links to the pathophysiology of heart failure on this post.

https://allnurses.com/forums/2634117-post49.html

a website that often includes pathophysiology is the articles on emedicine (http://www.emedicine.com/). so, if you go there and search their site for pleural effusion or congestive heart failure, the article(s) that come up should include some of the pathophysiology.

don't know if this concept map on cardiac output can be of any help to you:

http://learn.sdstate.edu/craigg/coutput.html

AtomicWoman · May 26, 2008

I do like emedicine.com for looking up diseases and conditions, because there is usually a ton of info, aimed at medical professionals. Here's their page on pleural effusion, with its pathophys:

http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/TOPIC462.HTM

luv2runRNnow · May 30, 2008

a) No, I and others didn't think you googled because if you did you would have found it easily. Pleural effusion is not rare.
b) Judgmental? We are required to be.
Hi,
I don't mean to change the focus of this thread, but I was wondering if anyone could elaborate a little for me about why it is required to be judgmental. Our instructors are hammering us with just the opposite - be critical thinkers and in time be able to quickly interpret information but that there's not a place for being judgmental. Intuitively, it seems like if I had to be judgmental it would ruin my therapeutic relationship with the patient. Appreciate any insight. Thanks.

hypocaffeinemia, BSN, RN · May 30, 2008

Emedicine.com is an accurate, up to date, and free resource that I use for basic medical knowledge.

mauxtav8r · May 30, 2008

a) no, i and others didn't think you googled because if you did you would have found it easily. pleural effusion is not rare.
b) judgmental? we are required to be.
hi,
i don't mean to change the focus of this thread, but i was wondering if anyone could elaborate a little for me about why it is required to be judgmental. our instructors are hammering us with just the opposite - be critical thinkers and in time be able to quickly interpret information but that there's not a place for being judgmental. intuitively, it seems like if i had to be judgmental it would ruin my therapeutic relationship with the patient. appreciate any insight. thanks.
hey, i can certainly understand how this could be misunderstood. judgmental, as in "a process of forming an opinion or evaluation by discerning and comparing" (thanks to webster), is something that my instructors teach us to be all the time. adpie is all about forming your judgment. critical thinking is all about using good judgment.
hey, op, how's it going with the patho project? i hope that the responses you have received have helped.

Daytonite, BSN, RN · May 31, 2008

a) No, I and others didn't think you googled because if you did you would have found it easily. Pleural effusion is not rare.
b) Judgmental? We are required to be.
Hi,
I don't mean to change the focus of this thread, but I was wondering if anyone could elaborate a little for me about why it is required to be judgmental. Our instructors are hammering us with just the opposite - be critical thinkers and in time be able to quickly interpret information but that there's not a place for being judgmental. Intuitively, it seems like if I had to be judgmental it would ruin my therapeutic relationship with the patient. Appreciate any insight. Thanks.
luv2run1205. . .your instructors are absolutely correct! We are all taught to be nonjudgmental in nursing school. Both my ADN and my BSN program hammered us with this concept. Some people are just resistant to what they are taught. A judgmental attitude is often perceived as disrespect for others. When you go into practice as an RN you are going to find that a lot of nurses don't continue to practice the lessons that they were taught in school. Being nonjudgmental isn't the only one. You will find nurses not following many of the basic principles and ethics of nursing. It will be shocking and sad to see. All you can do is be responsible for your own actions and behavior. You go home every day knowing that at least you did the right thing. I often wonder why in the blazes people like this have gone into the profession in the first place.

mauxtav8r · May 31, 2008

I feel I am two steps away from responding to the original poster's question, but I don't want you good people misunderstand me. So, here goes.

"Being judgmental" and "using good judgment" are not the same, but I was meaning one and using the other. The original poster referred to "judgmental", and I understood that to mean "using good judgment", which I think all good nurses try to do.

I was not, and am not, and do not act "judgmental", as in trying to make an assessment about the good or evil of a person, nor do I think anyone in nursing should. Way, way out of the scope of practice.

And to all a good night.