Voting for Arnold?

goingformydream · Oct 27, 2006

I think they do vote.. the Register had an article in today's paper stating that 743 non-citizens voted in an election in 1996. (yes, they say they have implemented more security...however I think it is time for and ID card) As I stated, I am an American of Hispanic descent... if people want to come here.. no problem.. just go through legal channels. I know many people that have done so.

I remember when I had to seek medical attention for my son. They called my name, and the nurse asked if I spoke "good english" I was mortified.. and my husband (anglo) said nothing since he didn't want the care for our son to suffer. When I went to give the insurance information, I was spoken to in Spanish. I went to check out, and I was spoken to in Spanish. I don't speak Spanish! I finally asked, Am in the U.S.? There are many more reasons for me being a moderate republican.. this is just one reason.

and now.. back to the respiratory system...

(how strange.. that was the very reason why my son was in the ER that night.. RSV)

I can understand your argument for licensing. If I were an illegal, I think the only reason I would risk getting a valid license would be for all the other "benefits" I could attain from having one and not necessarily to buy insurance. Also, I hear so often about illegals being afraid to get prenatal care, etc., do they really go vote?
Honestly, I don't have a dog in this fight. If I were a Mexican and I could help my family by coming here, I would probably do it. (Actually, I'm not sure I would have the guts.) Because I would do it, doesn't make it "right," though. This argument has so many moral problems. I hope one day soon, we can all find an equitable solution for everybody.

LydiaNN · Oct 27, 2006

I can understand your argument for licensing. If I were an illegal, I think the only reason I would risk getting a valid license would be for all the other "benefits" I could attain from having one and not necessarily to buy insurance. Also, I hear so often about illegals being afraid to get prenatal care, etc., do they really go vote?
Honestly, I don't have a dog in this fight. If I were a Mexican and I could help my family by coming here, I would probably do it. (Actually, I'm not sure I would have the guts.) Because I would do it, doesn't make it "right," though. This argument has so many moral problems. I hope one day soon, we can all find an equitable solution for everybody.

A driver's license isn't the only document used to prove eligibility for public assistance, though, is it? When I said Angelides wants to draw immigrants to the poll, I actually meant naturalized citizens. I don't think you're allowed to register otherwise, are you?

allnurses Guide · Oct 27, 2006

I didn't vote for Arnold the first time, I voted for the real conservative Republican. I was very happy to have Gray Davis out though.

I'll vote for Arnold this time - Phil Angelides would get us right back to the old Davis days and I don't want to go there.

If you are an illegal alien, why do you have the right to get a legal California driver's licence? That makes no sense to me.

Also voting against Prop 89.

steph

Sheri257 · Oct 27, 2006

As for Angelides, his support is more likely a calculated move to lure more immigrants to the polls.

A driver's license isn't the only document used to prove eligibility for public assistance, though, is it? When I said Angelides wants to draw immigrants to the poll, I actually meant naturalized citizens. I don't think you're allowed to register otherwise, are you?

Technically they're not allowed to register but, in reality, they probably can. But I personally think the illegal, and Hispanic vote in general is vastly overrated.

Even if they are registered, they typically don't actually vote in enough numbers to make a difference. The Gray Davis recall demonstrated that ... even though there was high overall voter turnout in that election.

My school has a campaign to support a bond issue for the college that's on the ballot. So, students have been volunteering to work the phone banks. Even though there's a lot of illegals and Hispanics in the area ... you don't actually see many of them on the voter registration lists.

The vast majority of registered voters, actually, are white, and over age 60, at least in my area. You're lucky to find anybody under age 40 on those lists.

I can't remember what office it was but, there was a Democratic candidate in San Diego not too long ago who was videotaped at a town meeting encouraging illegals to vote for her ...

That candidate was defeated because of illegals and, when you look at who actually is registered to vote on those lists ... you can see why.

This is why it's even more stupid for Democrats to support illegals. There really isn't enough votes there to make a difference. Hispanic voters generally don't turn out in large enough numbers to influence elections. And, even when they do turn out, they tend to support Republicans as much as Democrats.

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Sheri257 · Oct 27, 2006

I honestly don't know what harm comes of licensing people. It isn't like not having a license keeps anyone from driving. At least with a license, they can get insurance, plus it makes people easier to find for all kinds of reasons- civil and criminal. As for Angelides, his support is more likely a calculated move to lure more immigrants to the polls.

The problem with driver's licensing is that you're going to open the flood gates for more illegals to come into this country. And you're definitely going to encourage more businesses to hire illegals at rock bottom wages.

This is a big part of my husband's job since he inspects trucks for the state. He impounds dozens of trucks driven by illegals every week.

The illegals who don't have driver's licenses are often driving vehicles owned by companies that do have insurance but, they're too cheap to hire legal workers.

If you give them licenses the problem will only get worse. More of them will come here, and they take more jobs at rock bottom wages, and they eat up more of our tax dollars with healthcare, schools, etc. It's a very bad idea, in my opinion.

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LydiaNN · Oct 27, 2006

Technically they're not allowed to register but, in reality, they probably can. But I personally think the illegal, and Hispanic vote in general is vastly overrated.
Even if they are registered, they typically don't actually vote in enough numbers to make a difference. The Gray Davis recall demonstrated that ... even though there was high overall voter turnout in that election.
My school has a campaign to support a bond issue for the college that's on the ballot. So, students have been volunteering to work the phone banks. Even though there's a lot of illegals and Hispanics in the area ... you don't actually see many of them on the voter registration lists.
The vast majority of registered voters, actually, are white, and over age 60, at least in my area. You're lucky to find anybody under age 40 on those lists.
I can't remember what office it was but, there was a Democratic candidate in San Diego not too long ago who was videotaped at a town meeting encouraging illegals to vote for her ...
That candidate was defeated because of illegals and, when you look at who actually is registered to vote on those lists ... you can see why.
This is why it's even more stupid for Democrats to support illegals. There really isn't enough votes there to make a difference. Hispanic voters generally don't turn out in large enough numbers to influence elections. And, even when they do turn out, they tend to support Republicans as much as Democrats.
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If you're talking about Francine Busby, I'm sorry, but the reason she was defeated had nothing to do with her comment about illegals. In fact, she came closer to winning that election than any Democrat has in memory. I live in the district she would have represented, and just the fact that she got enough votes to force a runoff is impressive.

Her opponent, on the other hand, leaves a lot to be desired. You want to talk about dirty pool, he claimed that she expressed support for a Math teacher at the local elementary school when he was arrested and charged with possession of child Mediaography. In reality, what she said was that everyone was shocked because this man had been so well liked and trusted- not that he ever will be again! Okay, sorry everyone, that's OT, but really, that was a low blow and the candidate actually got lots of backlash for having said that. He hasn't said a word about it this go-around.

Sheri257 · Oct 27, 2006

If you're talking about Francine Busby, I'm sorry, but the reason she was defeated had nothing to do with her comment about illegals. In fact, she came closer to winning that election than any Democrat has in memory. I live in the district she would have represented, and just the fact that she got enough votes to force a runoff is impressive.
Her opponent, on the other hand, leaves a lot to be desired. You want to talk about dirty pool, he claimed that she expressed support for a Math teacher at the local elementary school when he was arrested and charged with possession of child Mediaography. In reality, what she said was that everyone was shocked because this man had been so well liked and trusted- not that he ever will be again! Okay, sorry everyone, that's OT, but really, that was a low blow and the candidate actually got lots of backlash for having said that. He hasn't said a word about it this go-around.

Well ... regardless of the circumstances of that particular case ... the Democrats have a long history of defeats related to their support of illegals.

Kathleen Brown and Gray Davis went down for it. So will Phil Angelides ...

Not too long ago Schwarzenegger's approval ratings were in the toilet. Leave it to the Democrats to literally hand him the election because of illegals.

It's amazing how utterly stupid they can be.

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pickledpepperRN · Oct 27, 2006

I am afraid Arnold will continue to support hospital violating sagfe staffing laws. That he will go back to blaming teachers for the curruption of our previously excellent education system and blame nurses for the high cost of health care.

Already Chevron Oil has an ad against Prop 89 calling nurses a special interest! They and other multi billion dollar corporations have given him millions. How can he not do their bidding when he will not meet with staff nurses and the people he is supposed to work for? -

Takes money:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA4-XQmT6Vk&mode=related&search=

We need to enforce the laws against employing people who are here illegally.

They are sometimes paid less than required by law and are afraid to report health and safety violations.

It is insulting to hear politicians claim there is work Americans won't do.

CityKat, BSN, RN · Nov 1, 2006

I am afraid Arnold will continue to support hospital violating sagfe staffing laws. That he will go back to blaming teachers for the curruption of our previously excellent education system and blame nurses for the high cost of health care.
Already Chevron Oil has an ad against Prop 89 calling nurses a special interest! They and other multi billion dollar corporations have given him millions. How can he not do their bidding when he will not meet with staff nurses and the people he is supposed to work for? -
Takes money:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA4-XQmT6Vk&mode=related&search=
We need to enforce the laws against employing people who are here illegally.
They are sometimes paid less than required by law and are afraid to report health and safety violations.
It is insulting to hear politicians claim there is work Americans won't do.

I just heard about those Chevron ads from a friend back in the bay. UNBELIEVABLE. Why any person would support him with this kind of backing is beside me. I would rather go back to the Grey Davis days than have to deal with Arnie again. That should have never happened to Davis in the first place.

prmenrs, RN · Nov 1, 2006

If a politician doesn't come out strongly against illegal immigration, s/he's more likely to get more of the Hispanic vote, which, in this state, would definitely affect the outcome!

The thing about driver's licenses is that, when you apply for a job, you're required to show 2 documents saying you're a legal resident. One of them on the list is your driver's license.

Arnold has been very well behaved lately, and I do think the state is in better shape overall since he took office. But I believe he will be re-elected, and will promptly turn into a complete and total jerk again. Phil Angelides is just too darn lame.

Francine Busby ran in Duke Cunningham's old district--you remember, he's in prison!!. That district is soooo Republican. I haven't heard anywhere near the amount of political ads from her or her opponent as when they had the election to complete Cunningham's term. Phew--that was awful. It was so deep that time, both opponents eyes turned brown.

allnurses Guide · Nov 1, 2006

The California Nurses Association IS a special interest group and there is nothing wrong with that. Just pointing it out is not wrong either and no one meant every single solitary nurse is a special interest group. I'm not a member of any group so I'm not a special interest group.

I do think we should be allowed to organize and lobby politicians though.

And I don't believe in Prop. 89 which is simply welfare for those politicians, coming straight out of my paycheck in the form of another tax.

steph

LydiaNN · Nov 2, 2006

Francine Busby ran in Duke Cunningham's old district--you remember, he's in prison!!. That district is soooo Republican. I haven't heard anywhere near the amount of political ads from her or her opponent as when they had the election to complete Cunningham's term. Phew--that was awful. It was so deep that time, both opponents eyes turned brown.

She has a really good chance of winning this time. It used to be that Democrat challengers were primarily for show; no one expected them to do well, and they didn't.