California Hospitals are not forward thinking!

EmergencyNrse · Sep 26, 2009

No California hospital wants to invest money for a new grad; but they'll pay up the nose for registry. . . kick backs anyone!?!

Kick-backs? Yea right. Because there is soooo much disposable income in healthcare for that. NOT!

Such an immature statement from someone with absolutely no clue...

No, the problem is that NEW GRADS are demanding same wages that current and experienced RN's are making.

All I see are new nurses saying gimmie, gimme, gimme. You studied all that time, passed the NCLEX well that's worth $50.00/hr! :chuckle

The expectation and the entitlement mentality of the new generation is amazing. Try putting in some time in any given area first. No experience but wants that big payday? Well welcome to reality. Not paying...not hiring.

Let's move forward and not be victims to the California health care job market!
Wake up California - hospital administrations and government are asleep at the wheel.

Victims of the Cali job market? Try Hospitals being victims to the Nursing Unions.

I remember back in the day when hospitals right and left were going on strike in California. Increased demands, Increased wages. Increased benefits. Decreased work loads. Where are those nurses now? Unemployed.

If you're not in a specialty area then the positions are filled with Phillipine and African nurses. Why?

Because they work hard. They're appreciative, dedicated to the employer and don't whine and complain to the administration all the time. (like new grads)

10-15 years ago hospitals in the Bay area and down in San Diego were staffed by regular, local trained nurses and after being beaten up by union demands for so long... now majority are foreign trained nurses. Hospitals aren't asleep at the wheel... they're driving the bus.

PostOpPrincess, BSN, RN · Sep 26, 2009

My hospital won't hire new grads at this time because they are tired of investing all the training to have them leave a year later for schooling.

The new recruitment notice actually says, "no new grads need apply."

Wow.

fiveofpeep · Sep 26, 2009

Emergency Nurse,

You may have had bad experiences with new grads in the past but please let me enlighten you on how I, a soon to be new grad, feel.

I love nursing. I am very passionate about nursing. It is very depressing to me to consider that I may not be able to work as a nurse because it is what I love to do and what I feel I was meant to do. I cant imagine doing anything else for a while or nothing at all while I wait for the economy to rebound.

I suggest you take a look at the california region board and the graduate nurse board because you will find that the last thing people are clamoring for is higher wages. A job in nursing would be just fine.

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And to the OP, I have some of those suspicions too...but then I also hear that a new grad costs about $55,000 to train so it's hard to be sure of whether we are less expensive or not.

coffee4metech · Sep 26, 2009

excuse me but I just got a hired at a California Hospital and its a teaching hospital, there is always new grad jobs available maybe your not looking hard enough or your just not qualified for some job positions .

Maybe you should move and relocate .

eriksoln, BSN, RN · Sep 26, 2009

I havnt seen any new grads insisting on top wages. A number of girls from the nearby community college were doing summer interns with us and are worried about there not being a job for them. They are in desperate mode. They would take the everyday new hire wage. Sign on bonuses are a thing of the past, and they dont complain about that. Mostly, at least the girls I know, they just want full time and a fair orientation (decent preceptor, long enough orientation time). My hospital actually has not frozen new grad hiring. I think they may be done now cause a couple units are now closed, but there are people in the new hire orientation just this past week who are new grads.

Where I see the money seeking behaviors from is..........the in between nurses. Not the new ones, nor the veteran nurses. Its more.........the people with experience but not tons of it (like 3-6 years).

The per diem at my hospital is done.....gone, have been told they will not work for a good three months. They are all very upset, and I dont blame them. But, they have no leg to stand on if they complain.

For the past decade (a few float RNs have held their position for over ten years even, despite numerous attempts to persuade them to go full time) they have enjoyed the benefits of being per diem. Higher wages, self scheduling with very few mandated holidays, OT was abundant. They could take a week or two off, work OT to make up for it, then take more time off. They were living it high on the hog to say the least. But, the understanding was.........in tight times, they'd be the first to go, the first to lose their hours. Five years ago, this was not a concern. Now..........well, ahem.

So, all these nurses who lived it up as a float nurse and took full advantage of their benefits with scheduling and the higher wages, all of a sudden want the same consideration as the full time nurses when it comes to working hours and layoffs.

Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it too. And, for the most part, these nurses have between 3 and 10 years experience.

Not_A_Hat_Person, RN · Sep 26, 2009

It's not just Califorrnia. Massachusetts hospitals won't hire new grads either. A lot of job fair ads say "We are not hiring new grads at this time" or "No new grads, please." The same hospitals pay out the wazoo for travelers. I applied to a bunch or hospitals statewide, and the only one to interview me was in Pittsfield. I ended up leaving the state for my first job.

MedSurgeMess · Sep 26, 2009

excuse me but I just got a hired at a California Hospital and its a teaching hospital, there is always new grad jobs available maybe your not looking hard enough or your just not qualified for some job positions .

A new grad really isn't qualified for any job positions unless they have worked in that area in another position, and sometimes that doesn't even make them qualified--and I'm not trying to offend, but a new grad is just out of school, 0 experience. I think that right now it's the luck of the draw, and if 20 new grads (BSN or ADN) and 1 person with >1 yr experience apply for a job, usually the >1 yr will get the job. It stinks, but right now, it's the way it is. I see resumes come to my facility all of the time with unreasonable demands from new grads (0 weekends, 0 holidays, higher wages) that not even our seasoned nurses make. I have 7 yrs experience, and what they ask for is a lot more than what I even dream of. I'm not saying it's all new grads, but many expect to make the big bucks right out of school, because some advertising campaign told them they should demand no less.

coffee4metech · Sep 26, 2009

I am not a new grad..... I got hired in the Peri OP as a tech ,and I am in the process of obtaining my degree through the hospital they will pay for my education they would rather invest in there own instead of an outsider who is a an NEW grad !

MedSurgeMess · Sep 26, 2009

I am not a new grad..... I got hired in the Peri OP as a tech ,and I am in the process of obtaining my degree through the hospital they will pay for my education they would rather invest in there own instead of an outsider who is a an NEW grad !

I wasn't talking about you, but the poster. But you stated that you got hired as a tech in periop, which basically reiterates what I just said. Not everyone has that offer of a job as a tech while they were in school. My hospital had 2 student openings, and had 122 applicants. We couldn't take everyone, so like I said, not everyone has that opportunity.

coffee4metech · Sep 26, 2009

yeah I understand where your coming from I just wanted to clarify that I wasnt a new grad .

JomoNurse · Sep 26, 2009

i agree that RNs are overpayed. we live in a fantasy world... a 2 YEAR ASSOCIATE'S degree and we can make $30/hr, while people with Master's degrees make dirt. Two year degrees need to be done away with. It's not fair to those who have their bachelor's. An ADN should NOT be making what a bachelor's is making, in my humble opinion. It's an insult. I think it's completely backwards.

If we pay dirt to new RNs for a couple of years, we'd weed out a lot of those (and there are a LOT of them) that are only their for the money, and then hansomely reward them with a big fat paycheck after those couple of years.

Most new grads feel way too entitled and end up leaving "for something better" in a year or two. It's a waste of the hospital's time and money to train someone, only to have them go someplace else.