CA NCLEX applicants with "concurrent" issues with CA licensed RN classmates.

[2ndtakerimmigrant]

if the b & p code section 2736 is their basis of denying our application, i wonder why other applicants from the philippines who went through the same curriculum like ours were made eligible.

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very true.

i understand that these requirements have been existent and that it's only now that the ca-bon is being strict about it. however, this is just my two cents about this.. i hope i don't sound too negative. this is not to complain. i am just being logical about this issue.

after deciding that they (ca-brn) will strictly implement these requirements compared to how they handled applications in the past years, ca-brn should do so with consistency.

for those are going to apply for ca nclex, they will have to comply with all the requirements. fair enough.

for those who have been found eligible to test with active files and are merely re-testing, i believe that they should be allowed to take the test. otherwise, ca-brn should pull out or invalidate the licenses of all those who passed the ca nclex-rn with deficient requirements. by this, i mean all your classmates who graduated in the same school, took up the same subjects & clinicals, had the same course curriculum, graduated the same year. i am saying this not to bring down these people, but in the light of consistency and impartiality. again, ca-brn is saying that these requirements have been existent a long time ago, but they are being strict about it just now. that's an acceptable explanation. i believe that their rules are their rules and they are not for me to question. however, this "recent decision to be strict" with the requirements does not change the fact that the person i sat with in class, the person i went with during my clinicals, who graduated the same time as i did, who took up the same subjects & clinicals as i did, who went to the same school at the time that i did does not qualify for ca-brn's requirements just as i am not, right? and them passing the ca nclex does not change this fact. so, why deny someone who has the same credentials with active files the chance to re-test?

i believe that this issue has to be resolved by an authority higher than the evaluators/analysts. if the ca brn directors can't be impartial about this, i think this has to be escalated to a higher authority. i'll work on this. if you have any helpful ideas, pls. post them here or send me a ym @[email protected]. thank you.

[loriangel14, RN]

The CA BON is the highest authority and they have every right to enforce the rules. Each state sets their own requirements.

[BennyRNCA]

I think one reason the CA BON has been cracking down on the concurrency issue and maybe also looking for other reasons to openly review any and all applicants, which is their right, since getting a CA RN license is not a right, but a privilige, is the invesigation of many foreign applicants submitting false documentation and this has been going on for many years, thus the reason they was talk about going all the back to 2004.

I mentioned here:

https://allnurses.com/advice-on-immigration/recent-ca-bon-687636.html

I do believe if you ask the CA BON to now review all the foreign applicants under the suspect reasoning of "he/she and I went to the same school, we were joined at the hips for the 4 years and got our degrees on the same day", you may find that those receiving their ATT and passed NCLEX may have given the evaluators some false documents as how could one done their concurrency and cleared the review process.

Or if they didn't, it will or may cause their RN license to now be suspended or revoked. But like you said, it's all about being 100% impartial and consistent.

[BennyRNCA]

You might find this poster's view interesting:

https://allnurses.com/advice-on-immigration/who-blame-ca-682278.html

[loriangel14, RN]

........And yes, there are higher authorities above the CA BRN if you know you rights here in the USA.

You don't have a "right" to a CA nursing license. That is a privilege.

[nursel56]

Loriangel14,

I think you have been misinterpreting my posts.

I did not say that I have a RIGHT to a CA nursing license.

What I am saying is that everyone has a right to impartial and consistent set of rules implemented to qualify to sit for a licensure exam. If there's none, you can be proactive by going to a higher office -above CA BRN. That's all.:)

What higher authority are you referring to? That is not a criticism, it's a real question.

[nursel56]

Thanks, Nursel56.

Ca Governor for one.

One in a million success rate for this

letter to even be looked at, but I

had a past experience- I had a problem

(not related to CA BRN lol) with an institution &

I contacted the Gov via snail mail to seek help out of desperation.

Luckily, I was assisted by his Office simply by writing a communication letter

attaching my letter to the Gov. I eventually had my case looked up by the

institution I was dealing with and had things done right.

No harm in trying. :)

Glad to hear you got that resolved. A responsive state government is in everyone's best interest. The Insurance Commission does a good job, too. It's kind of a shock when someone e-mails to assist you only a few days after you file a complaint. :)

[BennyRNCA]

In your mentioning the Sunset Provision, it may be without any period of expiration as I didn't see anything on the CA BON hearings logs.

Typically sunset provisions are only added in emergency situations where temporary action by the legislature is needed including budget crises and war activity. Most regulations and laws enacted are for an indefinite time period.

There was an affected poster here that had her father write a letter to their Congress person, but don't know what happened to that.

It does seem strange that one classmate gets their ATT, applied after the April, 2010, some said just got their ATT this year by applying this year, but they were denied. It's either a single or two evaluator passing the paperwork with flying colors or the applicant is submitting false documents, what do you think?

I mean if I was looking at two sets of paperwork from the same school, one meets all the requirements, one doesn't, something's not right. So if some are submitting documentation that's false, I hope it will put them out of the system for good.

I would hate to have that nurse who's willing to do anything take care of me or a family member or a friend. That person is also likely to "lie and cheat" on their charting, become a danger to that person and or hospital or medical facility. Personally, if it's proven that person did submit false documents, the minimum penalty should be a large monetary fine and a minimum of two or three years in prison and banned for life from ever applying for any license in the country, this will help deter anyone from trying to weasel their way in a profession that deals with a person's life.

I had posted ealier about a roommate's nursing friend and he told me today that passing of false documents is very much alive and there's a lot more of licensed nurses today that have done so. I asked him for a number, he says he's heard in the "several hundreds" over the last several years....that's so unfathomable!

I hope CA BON do catch these criminals and that's exactly what they are! If you guys know of some, you should write to the CA BON and their names are already on public records via CA BON's on-line verification. I know if I hear or suspect someone, I will immediately notify the CA BON to check this person's information in a heartbeat!

[BennyRNCA]

Yes, the CA BON wasn't strict at all in the previous years due to the "nursing shortage" times, when CA law enforced the patient-to-nurse ratios, so the immediate need to hire in nurses was at an all time hiring process to get mostly "experienced nurses". If a medical facility or hospital did not have the proper numbers of nurses to patients, they were faced with heavy fines and in the wrost case, could be shut down and have to close their doors.

Knowing that the CA BON is a slow process due to being a governmental agency, they were swamped with request from everywhere to fill those empty and open jobs. I think if it meant looking the other way and I'm only assuming here, not a fact, to get the job done, then that's very possible. Again, it's the EXPERIENCED nurses that were the preferred and the "nursing shortage".

Those were the years where hospitals were hiring students before they graduated, some hired on the spot after they got their degree, some places offered $10,000 or more signing bonuses to ensure they were able to fill their quotas, many have several job offers in their hands, many working two hospitals since they could work a 12 hour shift at one hospital and do another 12 hours or some almost full time work at another hospital and making over $120,000 a year was the reality. I remember that from my other RN friends who were in those lovely times.

Now that things have slowed down a lot and with the bad economy, fewer new grads jobs, budget cuts everywhere (go to the CA nursing forum and you'll find some hospitals interviewed 100's of applicants only to cancel the entire new grad program until the next time they start it up and then those interviewed not only didn't get the job, they were not considered to be included in the next program and asked to start all over again). CA BON 2011 nursing survey reflects a 48% unemployment rate of CA new grads, imagine what that's going to be like this year with another 11,000 CA new grads coming in and going after 1,200 spots for the whole CA? Last year's new grads are still looking today and some from the prevous year. Many are going out of state only to find most prefer to hire those that graduated within that state.

It's a tougher world today.

[BennyRNCA]

I think the "inconsistency" issue you are referring to is a big problem, but also realize that the more stricter enforcement is now happening more so since Nov. 2011, so again given it's a big governmental agency with 1000's of applicants and only a smaller employee basis, it will be become more and more consistent.

I think some applicants may have fallen in the areas prior to the bulk enforcement dates. The evaluators are becoming more and more keen to spotting the foreign applicants and one person reported getting denied a week after submission, it was like automatic, meaning they know the PH colleges are not meeting the minimum requirement(s) and easier to deny those and work with those applicants inside the States. They have renewals and new grads and out of state nurses applying along with many of the foreign countries (China, India, Russia, etc). It seems more UK and Aust applicants coming with Canadians.

[caliotter3]

Agree with the OP's assertion that the Board should make decisions based on consistency in applying their policies.

[BennyRNCA]

After a bit more of research, I found out that yep, Ca-BRn was abolished, but was restored in Feb 2012

In case you didn't realize this but had the CA Dept of Consumer Affairs taken over the CA BON, they are even more strict and not forgiving as much as the BON. They would have dropped the hammer on the concurrency issues and lack of clinical hours or missing courses and make life even tougher for the international grads.

This dept. is more pro-CA active.

This could change again if a new Governor is elected.