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My wife has been a nurse for over 20 years and is a well-qualified, experienced and competent nurse/manager who is respected and liked in her workplace.... but not by all.

Another nurse recently lodged a false claim of harassment against her. This nurse appears to have a few problems dealing with people and left nursing for a few years after her own harassment of others was addressed. She appears to have now used the same process against my wife that was used successfully by other nurses against her.

Nothing came of the harassment claim. The nurse who lodged the false claim against my wife flatly refused mediation and her claims were proven to be either very trivial or false. She has, however, poisoned the mind of her personal friend in management against my wife. This friend started to bully my wife and exclude her from group activities. My wife was systematically striped of her responsibilities, given bad shifts without any reason, refused leave, and so on. The friend also tries to find fault where none exists. Several other nurses are also being treated the same way for the same reason.

My wife is very strong and can stand up to bullies but when enough was enough she and others reluctantly complained to someone very high in management who was both aware personally of my wife's good qualities and the shortcomings of the other two nurses causing her such grief.

My wife also went to the union and a solicitor and the issues appear to be being addressed. It is, however, only a facade and the exclusion, backstabbing lies, bickering, self-promotion and preferential treatment continue. The good news is that my wife has the support of other nurses and now knows whom to trust.

My wife has been offered better positions at other hospitals but she doesn't want to be bullied out of a job she once loved and leave her friends. She was encouraged that she was offered all of the positions for which she applied and it is likely that she will eventually leave.

Being an outsider and working in another industry, I can't understand why nurses put up with such crap from hospitals and why they treat each other so badly. Perhaps having to constantly complete incident reports and justify your actions make some nurses too autocratic and self-focused. In my organisation, it is a given that we actively promote the people we work with when speaking to people from within and outside the organisation. In other words, we try to support each other.

Other husbands of nurses see the same problems in nursing as I have but some of them perceive that the problems arise because most nurses are women. Please don't jump down my throat as I don't believe that this is the case. I currently work in an area with more women than men and have been the only man in a group of women who all worked well as a team. My current boss is a woman that I have great respect for and I have also managed women in the past without any problems - I'd say with less problems than I had with men.

Also, it seems to me that hospitals are more likely to employ a nurse from outside than promote a nurse already at the hospital. With such a shortage of nurses, why don't hospitals take better care of the ones that they have and try to keep them? Is this the case?

I've been vague about the positions of the people involved and the events, as my wife would kill me if she knew I posted this but I'd like your views, as I'm concerned about her.

I'm also thinking of creating a new forum - allpartnersofnurseswholiketodiscusstheirworkproblemsaftertheycomehomefromaneveningshift.com

I agree Token Male,

My wife complained to VERY senior management with other nurses and involved the union. It was just the work and trouble that she caused which forced them to make a show at addressing the problems.

They are now trying to cover their tracks but without apologising. It's something like "We are concerned about your health. There was no need to go above my head as my door is always open ............ blah, blah, blah."

I hope that you really are "bulletproof" barb because you have just become a target.

The claim against my wife was all very trivial, exaggerated or false incidents recorded in a dossier over months by a nurse after my wife, in charge of a shift, made a decision that the nurse did not like. You would laugh if I told you about some of the "incidents" but that would identify my wife and this forum appears if you search for bullying on the web.

The false claim was intended to get her to resign but do not take your situation lightly and assume that because you followed the correct procedures and made an appropriate decision that HR will see it that way. The other nurse will be considered a victim of your harassment simply because she became upset and possibly because she is the junior nurse.

If a harassment claim is lodged against you, then HR may grill you about every incident, so be prepared. Don't be pressured into responding to the complaint immediately without seeking assistance. Have someone who is not in nursing (partner, friend) read your response. They will not be emotional and will ask questions that HR could ask.

My wife showed her response to the union rep at the hospital who had experience with harassment claims. The union rep was to come with her to HR for support but HR tricked her into coming in alone. My wife went to an external solicitor with experience in harassment claims and it was not expensive. She sought help from someone she knew in a very high senior management position who helped. She didn't gossip but didn't keep quiet as told and take crap (see post from Token Male and my response). There is also Peer Support but what you say in confidence could still be discussed with others.

A few days ago the nurse who made the false harassment claim against my wife abused another nurse. The nurse complained to management but all that was required was an apology. This would be the upteenth complaint made against her without any action... different strokes.

Hope all goes well.

Husband, if I were to post more details you would be having a right laugh, but like yourself there is anonimity to consider.

I am getting the Union if there is a meeting, and no one tricks me into not having my representitive.

I honestly can't believe why some nurses do this. Fact is, she knows I am leaving and she is also leaving too to go to another ward as part of her graduate program. She is going in about 8 weeks, me in 10 weeks. But, she is also entitled to complain so I have to just wait and see. She has similar complaints made against against her by agency staff as well and at this stage, I find it hard to take the whole situation seriously because it's like a bloody playground and I outgrew that about 30 years ago now. I have no patience for this.

But, I do hope it doesn't end up like the situation your por wife is in as I want to go back to the hospital one day. I have had no other complaints made against me whilst I have been there.

The union rep said to my wife that she would support her at the meeting and do all the talking if my wife wished, but HR were sly. They phoned my wife on her day off and asked her to come in "just to talk". The union rep was on annual leave and my wife didn't realise that this was "THE" meeting to decide whether the harassment claim was valid. When my wife arrived there were two people who grilled her about every incident and questioned some of her responses. My wife said all that was missing was the light to shine into her eyes and a pair of handcuffs. Although she should have just walked out and said she was a blubbing mess, based on what she told me and the outcome, I think she handled it well.

It appears that harassment claims have increased significantly since posters were put up around the hospital. My wife still can't believe that the claim was taken seriously and wonders about the competence of some people in HR and management who allowed it to escalate and involve other nurses. She is also not used to such childishness and will probably jump off the merry-go-round and go to another playground.

Husband, I really feel for your wife. What a horrible situation to be in. My own situation has got worse. Instead of the original issue of the complaint, the nurse involved has decided to accuse me of bullying her. However, after I was asked what what happen now, I was told nothing, that it was the end of the matter. They wouldn't even tell me her name, even though I knew it was from her and I said I knew. Apparently, she made some serious complaints, so I was told, but they said they weren't going to follow them up, but had to let me know. :confused:

What has upset me is that she has turned around and completely changed the story. I heard about things I had never even known about.

I have decided I will not approach her about it, I am going to let her continue to think that nothing has been said to me. Apparently, she has been asking around if I have been spoken to, I have told ABSOLUTELY no one.

I have made a decison to leave earlier than planned. If I were your wife, I would leave. I have no patience for the play ground either. I know she doesn't know you are posting, but I wish her the best and hope she is eventually happy again.

Specializes in ICU.

Barb - if they refuse to tell you what the allegations are you can insist under the principle of natural justice. If they have decided not to proceed it might mean that they do not believe her and so it become "nolo contendre"(sp?) - no contest but I would, before I left ask to see my records under FOI and see what is recorded there.

Luck Mate!! and keep in contact via the board while you are OS.:)

Too right, Gwenith! (to coin a phrase!)

Barb, if she is making unfounded allegations, then management should be investigating that, and then be bouncing her out the door, not just taking no action! That's natural justice too!

If HR and Management are the same as at my wife's hospital then no action would be taken against a nurse making the complaint.

I see the logic as this protects the victim but it is unfair to those who are falsely accused.

Specializes in Community, Renal, OR.

Hi everyone,

Maybe bullying in the workplace is the main reason for the high nurse attrition rates. I know I generally change jobs every 2-4 years, when the "politics" get to me and I figure it is time to move on. But, the bullies stay, they're the ones who have been there for years and years, and nothing and no-one can get them out.

My husband also has problems with accepting that bullying is part of the culture, he says it wouldn't be tollerated in his workplace ; (he is an engineer involved in research and design), but after 20 years in nursing I am fully aware of what your wife is going through.

Barb, the main risk for you is would be this complaint on your work record, because it could be mentioned if someone asks your workplace for a reference. Also, don't be too sure you won't be tricked into attending a meeting without representation, because a friend of mine was tricked into a meeting, at very short notice, (Friday 5pm). Of course no union person was available to attend at such short notice, in fact the office was closed at the time she was notified and they had her by the short and curlies, but like you she just wanted it to be over and to leave.

I wish both of you the best ....

I know about the refrence dilemma because at the time she put in the complaint, I had previously asked for a reference for the new job I am going to. At the time, the nurse manager said to me when she checked out my references from my old job, they had been "glowing" and so she was suprised about this. Also, one of the references for my new job is from my old work place so I guess it won't be too bad. I understand it may get mentioned, I guess that is life.

Also, I won't be tricked into a meeting since I have been told the complaint by her is not being followed up. I actually offered to sit down and discuss it with her but she had refused so they said it won't be followed up, also because we were friends outside of work, but she became very "stalkish" ringing me and texting me at midnight on one occassion. She used to ask me stuff when she rang like "why didn't I answer my phone, why wasn't I at home, why did I swap my shift ect ect. The manager feels it stems from outside work problems. I have always been civil to her at work, included her in conversation ect ect. Maybe they know that and because I also offered to sit and talk but she refused, thats why they aren't going to say anything.

Incidentally, when I got told, I wasn't told who wrote it, but I said I knew about as the girl had told me and had shown me part, which is true. Maybe that is why they are not following it up, but if I get called into the office and am asked about it, I will say " i can't discuss it until I have a union rep organised. I'll make a mutaul time", something along those lines.

Either way I am now leaving end of the month. Some good news today. The hospital where my parents are have offered me a short term position, pending references :rolleyes:

I will have to wait and see what comes of it, and if they ask me, I'll not know what to say!!!!!! :confused: I guess that means I'll be back for more advice. :(

Keep Well all of you.

Why do our "superiors" treat nurses like this? Is it because traditionally we were 'good' little girls (sic) who did what ever we were told to do with arguement. Nurses are much more militant these days and we have grievance procedures set down but as demonstrated in these pages management frequently try to bypass these. :( As this forum garners views from a wider range than my own circle and the problems are similar it shows that management disregard for nurses is indemic in the Health Care system; And they wonder why they cannot recruit more staff.

joannep,

My wife moved around a bit early in her career to get promotions and experience.

bulletproofbarb,

Not having mediation means that the matter isn't settled. The complaint should not be in your file. Even an official warning should be removed after one year if there are no more claims.

Token Male,

My wife thinks that unlike older nurses like herself, Graduates are educated about their rights.

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