BSN Required...what does this mean for the 2yr ADN programs ?

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Not sure about other areas....but a lot of hospitals in NJ and NY are saying BSN is required for new hires. Do you think the ADN and Diploma programs will go away ?

I am still considering the Accelerated Nursing Program for January because it may expand opportunities for working part-time since I still have issues from the car accident, and there is such a shortage and doctors are begging for more nurses. However, I do think I would like the PA program too. The nice thing about the accelerated program is that is is one year plus two months, it is equivalent to a BSN, it is simply for those who already have a BS degree and work experience.

Where on earth did you get the idea that there is "such a shortage"? Many areas of the country are completely saturated with RNs and new grads are having a difficult time finding jobs at all in much of the country. Look around this site, and all the threads about new grad RNs who can't find work. (Also, physicians have v. little to do with hiring nurses, not that I've ever heard one express an opinion about nursing staffing levels anywhere.) If that's your rationale for going into nursing, you're likely to be disappointed. I encourage you to do plenty of research before committing to a nursing program.

Best wishes!

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Calm down...

(1) If anyone is to do nursing, it has always been a fact that the BSN is the best nursing degree (and most prestigious) to get. When I was in school in the 1980s, it was the druggies and women who were pregnant out of wedlock who went to the community colleges to become nurses, and usually got it paid for. Recently, the university I consulted with told me the accelerated program in nursing is equivalent to the BSN.

(2) The places I am looking at there is a massive shortage; however, the economy is still bad and employers are shopping for people and not hiring them as much as their postings indicate their needs are. Even my doctor has told me they have a hard time finding enough of them. Ask any hospital with high nurse turnover if there is a shortage and they will say yes.

(3) each part of the country is different. I love CA; however, CA has an 13% unemployment rate and a massive deficit thanks in part to all the illegals the government has had to support through insuracne claims, free medical and er care, and free education and free college in a system you have had to pay for for decades. I suspect it is competetive for a number of reasons. If it is so competitive, then your salaries should be dropping and not skyrocketing.

(4) If there is no shortage, then why do university hospitals, such as Duke Unviersity, fly to the Philippines, and recruit and pay for nurses to be brought over from overseas? A nurse I met at the airport this past June supported this idea because of the vast shortage.

Cheers

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Calm down...

(1) If anyone is to do nursing, it has always been a fact that the BSN is the best nursing degree (and most prestigious) to get. When I was in school in the 1980s, it was the druggies and women who were pregnant out of wedlock who went to the community colleges to become nurses, and usually got it paid for. Recently, the university I consulted with told me the accelerated program in nursing is equivalent to the BSN.

(2) The places I am looking at there is a massive shortage; however, the economy is still bad and employers are shopping for people and not hiring them as much as their postings indicate their needs are. Even my doctor has told me they have a hard time finding enough of them. Ask any hospital with high nurse turnover if there is a shortage and they will say yes.

(3) each part of the country is different. I love CA; however, CA has an 13% unemployment rate and a massive deficit thanks in part to all the illegals the government has had to support through insuracne claims, free medical and er care, and free education and free college in a system you have had to pay for for decades. I suspect it is competetive for a number of reasons. If it is so competitive, then your salaries should be dropping and not skyrocketing.

(4) If there is no shortage, then why do university hospitals, such as Duke Unviersity, fly to the Philippines, and recruit and pay for nurses to be brought over from overseas? A nurse I met at the airport this past June supported this idea because of the vast shortage.

Cheers

Wow, are you frickin kidding me with this assessment of ADNs? You know who else gets ADNs these days? People like myself who have a previous degree in something else, fully intend to pursue a doctorate in nursing, but saw getting a BSN a waste of time and money when I can begin the MSN with my ADN and BA combo

So many of my other peers in my program have previous degrees, including masters, in other disciplines in addition to being slightly older, having lots of life/work experience, etc. Additionally, my program is part of a local university that is highly respected and our ADN graduates are often picked over BSN grads from other places

And uh, news flash, BSN is still an undergraduate level- the most prestigious would actually be a Phd

Finally, unless the programs you are referring to were unaccredited and/or flat out terrible, I highly doubt a "druggie" could ever make it through the rigors of a nursing program- wow, you have no idea what nursing school entails or what the various distinctions within the profession mean, do you?

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Yes, I was hired more than 4 years ago, but if you read on in my post, this year, we hired 8 RN's and 4 were new grad ADN's. BTW, always from the same local community college because it's has such an excellent nursing program (hehe, my alma mater, too!)

That is similar to this area, my alma mater has a high reputation for prepared nurses. It is a ADN program, but the NCLEX pass rate is high and the graduates are well prepared.

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"...i did the med tech program, ugh, because i liked science and data and all the nurses wanted to leave nursing. "-veranda

nuff said...:uhoh3:

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"...i did the med tech program, ugh, because i liked science and data and all the nurses wanted to leave nursing. "-veranda

nuff said...:uhoh3:

seriously, right?

this statement also concerned me

i am still considering the accelerated nursing program for january because it may expand opportunities for working part-time since i still have issues from the car accident

i do not know if veranda is referring to physical issues, but nursing is so physically taxing it is the last profession i would recommend for someone with existing injuries that have not healed

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Wow, You guys are really nasty.

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Wow, are you frickin kidding me with this assessment of ADNs? You know who else gets ADNs these days? People like myself who have a previous degree in something else, fully intend to pursue a doctorate in nursing, but saw getting a BSN a waste of time and money when I can begin the MSN with my ADN and BA combo

This is what I said, of the RN degrees, the bsn is the most valuable. That is what I said...previous degree in other so I am considering the accelerated nursing program. Like you, I have a previous degree in something else, but I have no desire for a doctorate in nursing. We were not talking about graduate school nursing, as I recall unless you are saying the ADN is a graduate degree. I would rather have a doctorate in something else.

So many of my other peers in my program have previous degrees, including masters, in other disciplines in addition to being slightly older, having lots of life/work experience, etc. Additionally, my program is part of a local university that is highly respected and our ADN graduates are often picked over BSN grads from other places

Well this is good news for those interested in the adn, which is me. Your paragraph fits my profile---previous degree including MS in other desciplines and slightly older with lots of life and work experience. I was told they (the accelerated nursing program and the bsn) were equivalent. This is what I said.

And uh, news flash, BSN is still an undergraduate level- the most prestigious would actually be a Phd

Duh, this is what we were talking about...undergraduate in nursing, RN degrees. I am not aware of the accelerated program being a graduate program. The nursing department did not state this to me. I could be mistaken but I thought it was an undergraduate degree. The conversation was about undergraduate degrees.

Finally, unless the programs you are referring to were unaccredited and/or flat out terrible, I highly doubt a "druggie" could ever make it through the rigors of a nursing program- wow, you have no idea what nursing school entails or what the various distinctions within the profession mean, do you?

Yes, this is actually true. I knew of a few druggies and ladies who were pregnant right out of high school who were lead to the community college nursing program. I suspect the druggies had recovered and the women were no longer pregnant. I think the goal was to find jobs for them that would engage them with "caring" for people.

Do you always tell people off? Yes, I do have a clue. I am not expecting the program to be hard, but I am expecting it to be very busy and full of necessary hoops. I hope I don't run into any people like you!

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Wow, you are really rude. Yes, this is actually true. I knew of a few druggies and ladies who were pregrnat right our of high school who were lead to the community college nursing program.

My goodness, a little thin-skinned? I think you are confusing "reality-check-you-are-very-ignorant' with being "rude"

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:mad: you are rude and nasty on this site. this is what they talk about when they talk about nurses eating their young---you pounce and you will take anyone who has other views and shread the person and their views. you talk about people as if they are not there. you are totally abusive in how you talk to people. your responses are very aggressive and unsupportive of anyone trying to make life changes. nursing is not rocket science (really!) and you have no right to be discouraging to anyone who wants to make a change. you make all sorts of assumptions that are negative and without context and you mock newbies.

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"...i did the med tech program,
ugh, because i liked science and data and all the nurses wanted to leave nursing.
"-veranda

nuff said...
:uhoh3:
??

---what does that mean? i have a bsmt and a biochemistry degree (and two ms degrees). it is all about data. i had boiled it down to the two, neither of which i was excited about, but all the nurses (ten of them) hated nursing and said not to do it because it was a horrible profession. however, med tech is a horrible profession too. the biochem was the fun degree.

seriously, right? ---???

this statement also concerned me

i am still considering the accelerated nursing program for january because it may expand opportunities for working part-time since i still have issues from the car accident

---why does this statement "concern you"? (do you mean to sound so patronizing) i simply don't want to work full time. i have worked full time standing on my feet all day, i know what it is like.

i do not know if veranda is referring to physical issues, but nursing is so physically taxing it is the last profession i would recommend for someone with existing injuries that have not healed

---you know i am a person and i am reading this. do you always talk about people like they are not there (do you mean to sound so condescending) why don't you ask civil questions if you are interested instead of making negative assumptions. all my wounds are healed. at this point, i won't share the details with you or the issues with you. this is suppose to be a conversation, and a place for people to go and talk about nursing.

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No I am not confusing reality check with being rude. Your efforts at any meaningful conversation are not working. This really happened.

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Druggies and "out of wedlock" mothers? Really?

And on a 4 year college campus, no nursing students ever partake of of the wacky tobaccy or overindulge in alcohol. :uhoh3:

And in this day and age, really, how dare those unmarried mothers be responsible, earn a degree, and enter a well paying profession. They should stay home on welfare or hope for their 18 year old boyfriends to step up and "do the right thing."

In my area, the local community college's ASN program is highly respected, has a 90% NCLEX-RN and nearly 100% NCLEX-PN pass rate, and in the facilities I've worked in and had clinicals in, I've been told these graduates are better prepared and preferred over the local state college's BSN graduates. Which is why when I decided to go back to school, I CHOSE an ASN program to enter the profession.

In my entering class of 40 students, only 2 were under the age of 21 and entering straight out of high school. Most of us have been in the workforce for years, have families, been laid off, etc. The state college is where most straight out of high school nurse students apply.

Your generalizations are very insulting. And rude. You wouldn't like it if I based all my assumptions of BSNs on some of my shared clinical experiences with the BSN students from this state school.

For the OP, it seems to depend on your area. Where I'm from, the ASN is in high demand. Few positions outside of management state BSN preferred. Even in critical care areas such as ER and ICU they are still hiring new ASN grads.

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