BSN patient outcomes

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I haven't done the research myself, so please forgive me if this is an ignorant thought.

I have read studies citing that BSN prepared nurses have better patient outcomes than ADN prepared nurses.

I find myself wondering if any studies compare ADNs to BSNs who were not diploma or ADN nurses first. I haven't found a study that doesn't include experienced nurses who have gone back for their BSN (I haven't tried very hard to look but I did search a bit while going back for my own BSN). It seems like it would make sense that more experience and more education would have better outcomes. Is there a difference in patient outcomes for new grad BSN versus RN-BSN students? I would think yes. It's not a fair comparison to say that BSN nurses have better outcomes than ADN nurses if RN-BSN nurses are included in the study. RN- BSN nurses should have better outcomes than ADN nurses if only because they do have more experience.

Just my random thought for today...

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Specializes in ER/ICU/STICU.

If you search the site, you will find what a huge can of worms your post will open.

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Yes, it opens a can of worms. That's not always a bad thing. I'm curious if others have found research comparing new grads and leaving out RN-BSN nurses because I don't think the comparison is fair.

I'm certainly not trying to offend anyone. I like to read research and haven't found any that covers this particular topic. Whether or not people agree with it isn't what I was asking.

I know that I'm a better nurse now than when I graduated with my ADN. I attribute it to experience rather than my BSN. Research articles I've read focus on the degree rather than the experience. If it's going to focus on the degree, then it needs comparisons with equal experience. That's what I'm trying to say, I guess.

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There is a thread on this very topic that is quite literally a week old or less.

There's discussing something intellectually, and then there's beating a dead horse. This qualifies unequivocally as the latter.

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https://allnurses.com/registered-nurses-diploma/adn-vs-bsn-847305.html

Read and enjoy. Note the first post on the thread, where I linked the thread before it that--again--addressed the exact same issue.

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A person with an RN-BSN may not have years experience either. I graduated in May with an associates and promptly started an RN-BSN program, with requirements to obtain my RN license within 6 months and show 1 years work experience prior to graduation.

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https://allnurses.com/registered-nurses-diploma/adn-vs-bsn-847305.html

Read and enjoy. Note the first post on the thread, where I linked the thread before it that--again--addressed the exact same issue.

It was not my intention and I'm sorry you found it such a hassle to peruse. I'll endeavor to search this very large forum for every random thought I have before posting again.

Thank you for the link. I'll read the other post.

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A person with an RN-BSN may not have years experience either. I graduated in May with an associates and promptly started an RN-BSN program with requirements to obtain my RN license within 6 months and show 1 years work experience prior to graduation.[/quote']

But 1 year of experience no longer qualifies you as a new grad (in terms of applying for positions anyway) and could therefore change your patient outcomes so my thought still stands that you may have better patient outcomes than a new grad with a BSN.

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https://allnurses.com/registered-nurses-diploma/adn-vs-bsn-847305.html

Read and enjoy. Note the first post on the thread, where I linked the thread before it that--again--addressed the exact same issue.

Having just read the first post (I intend to read more), the topic in that thread is not what I'm curious about and does not differentiate research articles with a difference between RN-BSN and straight BSN patient outcomes. It's the same old ADN vs BSN without differentiation of those BSN nurses who were already practicing RNs that actually had me thinking about this topic.

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But 1 year of experience no longer qualifies you as a new grad (in terms of applying for positions anyway) and could therefore change your patient outcomes so my thought still stands that you may have better patient outcomes than a new grad with a BSN.

Ok I understand what you're saying now. Yes that does make sense and now you've got me thinking as well about this.

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Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

We have had a few of this exact question recently......I wonder .....if this a school project?

Regardless.....We are happy to help.....but to start a dialog you need to initiate the conversation...what are your thoughts. The problem with the studies is that do not differentiate between the two and only studies academic tertiary facilities that offer services with better outcomes overall. The argument ultimately is always...are the studies flawed....the answer is yes.

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I get what you are saying, S.G. Your question is not the same debate going on in other threads and I find your post thought provoking as well.

Now as to people who say bringing up a topic is beating a dead horse... who cares? Don't read it. Move on. Especially new grads who haven't partaken in these debates before...let them have their chance to speak. And yes, sometimes posts are made when all that needed to be done was a quick search to read older posts that have already covered it. 2 things: 1. Get over it. Don't read it. Move on. And 2. Sometimes its just easier to make a quick post to answer your exact question than to wade through similar topics that never get to the bottom of what you want to know.

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