BSN but not a nurse

[PirateArrrNnnn]

So settle this with me, if someone graduated with their BSN and failed multiple attempts at the NCLEX, can they still claim BSN on credentials but not add RN to the end. Technically, they can't ever use the term "nurse" right? Asking for a "friend" who says her work allows her to have BSN on her badge. I think that is iffy. ?

[Waiting for Retirement]

4 hours ago, FolksBtrippin said:

There is no threat to the integrity of nursing when we respect a person's BSN without RN licensure.

The only threat to the integrity of nursing is the petty need to strip others of their earned degrees.

When I referred to the integrity of nursing (and medicine) I mean the trust patients have in these professionals. It is correctly-placed trust when the person wearing a name badge that says BSN—and calling herself a nurse —actually IS a nurse. It is misplaced trust when the person who wears that tag is intentionally misleading the patient into that belief.

If this were not a clinical setting I wouldn’t particularly care. Much like the guy who has MD on his name tag and works at Auto World...no one would care. But considering the situation, it does matter.

[NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN]

7 hours ago, Waiting for Retirement said:

When I referred to the integrity of nursing (and medicine) I mean the trust patients have in these professionals. It is correctly-placed trust when the person wearing a name badge that says BSN—and calling herself a nurse —actually IS a nurse. It is misplaced trust when the person who wears that tag is intentionally misleading the patient into that belief.

If this were not a clinical setting I wouldn’t particularly care. Much like the guy who has MD on his name tag and works at Auto World...no one would care. But considering the situation, it does matter.

Is management aware she is calling herself a nurse while working in dialysis tech role? If not, please report situation if state has title nurse protection.. Management aware but indifferent, time to call compliance hotline.

Once they pass NCLEX and state grants license, then they can call them self Nurse. Some states actively charge "nurse imposters" therefore making it impossible to take NCLEX and obtain RN license

ANA: Title "Nurse Protection"

At least 39 states are known to have language in their Nurse Practice Act; either explicit in restricting use of the title "nurse" to only those who are licensed or implicit language restricting use of any words implying the individual is a licensed nurse. .Restricting use of the title "nurse" to only those individuals who have fulfilled the requirements for licensure as outlined in each state's nurse practice act is a protection for the public against unethical, unscrupulous, and incompetent practitioners. Nurse practice acts describe entry level qualifications such as education, practice standards and code of conduct for continued privilege to practice nursing.

Grey states have title Nurse Protection.

NJ BON has added title protection since 2013 article. Karen

[Luchador, CNA, EMT-B]

On 7/3/2019 at 2:52 PM, wildcatchristie said:

So settle this with me, if someone graduated with their BSN and failed multiple attempts at the NCLEX, can they still claim BSN on credentials but not add RN to the end. Technically, they can't ever use the term "nurse" right? Asking for a "friend" who says her work allows her to have BSN on her badge. I think that is iffy. ?

BSN is simply a degree. If you have that degree you could put it after your name, just like "Rupert Dixon, B.A." or "Maggie Boots, PhD." or whatever the hell. Might be silly/vain/pointless, but people tend to be silly and vain.

Obviously, without the RN the person isn't a nurse, so clearly calling themselves a nurse is wrong

Sincerely,

Luchador, B.A., M.F.A

[Ruby Vee, BSN]

On 7/5/2019 at 6:21 PM, wildcatchristie said:

Some people were not really serious about their taking the NCLEX and trying to pass. Maybe more interested in boys. I honestly don't want her becoming a nurse because I know it is truly not in her heart. I do believe it is a disservice to patients where she's working to have a BSN on her badge and not really be a nurse because most people see BSN on our badges and automatically think RN.

First, I am unclear how you could possibly know what is "truly in her heart." Second, being a nurse or not being a nurse has to do with whether or not she has passed the licensing exam and nothing to do with what is in her heart.

This bullfeces about having to have a "calling" or be "a nurse in your heart" makes me a little testy.

[Waiting for Retirement]

43 minutes ago, Ruby Vee said:

First, I am unclear how you could possibly know what is "truly in her heart." Second, being a nurse or not being a nurse has to do with whether or not she has passed the licensing exam and nothing to do with what is in her heart.

This bullfeces about having to have a "calling" or be "a nurse in your heart" makes me a little testy.

I missed this earlier, guess I’m still figuring out the quote/response chronology of threads. I mostly use Reddit and it looks different.

Anyway, I would have to wonder about this too. Does the OP know the person she is writing about so well as to know her heart’s desire? I could be wrong but I assumed the BSN hadn’t passed the exam because she was deficient in nursing knowledge not because her heart wasn’t in the right place!

Nurses come to this profession for many good reasons and I haven’t seen anyone who admits to it being a “calling“ in many years.

[NurseBlaq]

On 7/5/2019 at 6:21 PM, wildcatchristie said:

Some people were not really serious about their taking the NCLEX and trying to pass. Maybe more interested in boys. I honestly don't want her becoming a nurse because I know it is truly not in her heart. I do believe it is a disservice to patients where she's working to have a BSN on her badge and not really be a nurse because most people see BSN on our badges and automatically think RN.

Hateful! Be careful when you speak ill of others. Karma is very real.

[PirateArrrNnnn]

When this person tells me she only went to nursing school because her mom made her do it and that she wants to do something else, I know what she means. I have known this person since we were 5 years old. She really isn't into it.

[NurseBlaq]

19 minutes ago, wildcatchristie said:

When this person tells me she only went to nursing school because her mom made her do it and that she wants to do something else, I know what she means. I have known this person since we were 5 years old. She really isn't into it.

Not the same as wishing her to fail. When were you made the gatekeeper of success? If you call wanting to someone to fail a friendship I can only imagine the carnage you wish on your enemies.

[Ruby Vee, BSN]

1 hour ago, Waiting for Retirement said:

I missed this earlier, guess I’m still figuring out the quote/response chronology of threads. I mostly use Reddit and it looks different.

Anyway, I would have to wonder about this too. Does the OP know the person she is writing about so well as to know her heart’s desire? I could be wrong but I assumed the BSN hadn’t passed the exam because she was deficient in nursing knowledge not because her heart wasn’t in the right place!

Nurses come to this profession for many good reasons and I haven’t seen anyone who admits to it being a “calling“ in many years.

You might not know anyone in real life who admits to it being a "calling" -- I don't, either -- but there is a huge debate on this site about whether nurses who don't have a "calling" should be allowed to BE nurses.

[PirateArrrNnnn]

She would probably be happier doing something she wants to do like business. Maybe that is her success. Having to be forced to pursue a nursing degree as opposed to what she really wanted/wants was unfortunate. I'm pretty darn sure she is not focusing any energy at getting to the point at applying to take the NCLEX.

[Waiting for Retirement]

47 minutes ago, wildcatchristie said:

When this person tells me she only went to nursing school because her mom made her do it and that she wants to do something else, I know what she means. I have known this person since we were 5 years old. She really isn't into it.

Then why attempt NCLEX at all? If her mother “made her” go to nursing school then no doubt she expects her to become an RN. I would think she would want to pass just to stop the disappointment she must be feeling from her mother. The motivation doesn’t matter. If she CAN pass she should have by now...or be working towards that goal.

In the end it doesn’t matter. If she is telling patients she is a nurse it is probably illegal (did you check?). If she passes and becomes a nurse it will be her choice to work as one or not. Shouldn’t matter to you why.

[Waiting for Retirement]

20 minutes ago, Ruby Vee said:

You might not know anyone in real life who admits to it being a "calling" -- I don't, either -- but there is a huge debate on this site about whether nurses who don't have a "calling" should be allowed to BE nurses.

I’m sorry, I realize I’m new here but that’s absurd. People are nurses for financial reasons or because of family pressure or just because they found the idea interesting. I suppose there are those who liken it to a religious calling but the idea that this factor alone should be what “allows” it seems ridiculous to me. What decade are we in?!